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All the non Christian whiners don't seem to mind taking the day off for something they don't believe in. Talk about hypocrites.
No matter what you say Jesus still loves you and will wait for you.
I've worked on Christmas many times... my current company gives Christmas eve and Christmas day off per company policy so I couldn't work even if I asked.
Oh, and if you would have read the first couple of pages of this thread, you'd realize that you christians stole this holiday from the pagans, so technically you're still celebrating the solstice. Have fun during your solstice celebrations!
The point being--would you protest it? It's just a symbol, it doesn't have any meaning, but that which you give it.
The point is that governments have only powers...no rights. Under what power would a goverment be able to justify its erection of a swastika on public property?
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By the way, the swastika predates the Nazis by hundreds, if not thousands, of years.
A long time either way, and I know. Its connotation may have changed over the years, of course, but it is still not recognized as a religious symbol and so would not be likely to fit within the purview of either the Establishment or Free Exercise clauses..
The point is that governments have only powers...no rights. Under what power would a goverment be able to justify its erection of a swastika on public property?
Fiat. It is a government after all. It doesn't have to justify its use of power.
The courts disagree with you: Regarding the CA case that is currently being heard by the SCOTUS:
I disagree with you re Christianity being oppressed. Until recent years, Christianity had been allowed to become the de facto religion of the US. IMO, Christianity is now simply taking its rightful place in the pantheon of religions that exist within the borders of the US. It is no more and no less important a religion than the many others that may be practiced by the citizens of this country.
The courts stopped interpreting the Constitution a long time ago and now opt for instituting their own "of the age" interpretation. The courts have sided the opposite in our past, it is merely now fashionable to hate Christianity and so they rule accordingly.
The country never "allowed to become the de facto religion", it was simply that the majority of its people were and still are Christian and so it was natural to see various cultural influences. There is no religious doctrine pressed on the people, there are no laws for violating any Christian doctrine, there is no breech of individual rights with these occurrences.
Now there are numerous breeches by people who have restricted, condemned, and vilified Christianity and they have violated the Constitution numerous times by their actions to oppress the free exercise of. They have manipulated the words to fit their agenda. They are not simply people looking to insure each individual is protected, they are pushing a side and using the government as their thug.
As I mentioned earlier, in NY they condemned the manger scene and forced the Christians to use the Christmas tree, a non-Christian icon. All the while, the Jewish and other religions were allowed to display their specific religous icons.
This happens all the time, there is a double standard and an express hatred for Christianity and there are numerous people who specifically target it for condemnation.
The courts are wrong, but not by my claim, rather the founders statements, numerous statements by those close to them, the Constitution and the historical context to which this nation began.
It doesn't matter though, the truth is irrelevant, it only matters how many people you can get to accept a lie. Such is the nature of politics and the mob. Nothing new here, this has been going on long before the US.
All the non Christian whiners don't seem to mind taking the day off for something they don't believe in. Talk about hypocrites....
Childish bull. Places of employment are closed on that day, period.
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Please post for us the language from the Constitution that prohibits religious symbols on public property.
Already have, but I will again...
From Bouvier's Law Dictionary, the first comprehensive US law dictionary first published in 1836, and still considered the authority on early American legal definitions.
Generally speaking, Christmas is a Holiday celebrated by religious and non-religious people alike. Christmas is not a holiday of only one religion. Christmas IS a holiday that is celebrated in MANY different countries - worldwide.
It seems that those who oppose Christmas displays, or using the word CHRISTMAS (make it "winter soltace" play) are afraid of anything that is connected to religion or a God of any type.
If people want to put up displays celebrating the holiday known as Christmas - let them. It is hurting NO ONE.
You'll be hard pressed to find people who are opposed to secular Christmas displays on public property.
It is religious displays, on government property, that are the issue.
Fiat. It is a government after all. It doesn't have to justify its use of power.
There is no such things as a general fiat power. The federal government is granted only those limited powers that are specified in the Constitution and no others. Every act of Congress must rest for its authority on one or more of those particular powers that the Congress believes entitles it to enact the legislation that follows. Those with objection to the legislation often base their challenges on the notion that the powers cited do not in fact entitle the Congress to act in the way it has.
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