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View Poll Results: Is a Civil War, in the United States, possible
Yes. And quite possibly soon (within the next couple of years) 22 16.92%
No. There is no way another Civil War will happen 45 34.62%
Maybe. If enough Americans feel enough freedoms are endangered 53 40.77%
Undecided at this time 10 7.69%
Voters: 130. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 11-10-2009, 02:51 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Boompa,
The gubment hasn't a clue how to run this kind of business, though......They're gonna bancrupt us tring to figure it out
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Old 11-10-2009, 02:54 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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In the grown up world there are probably millions of Americans who are hostage to their Employer Based Health Care. They have families and can't leave a job they hate or retire etc. etc. I've been there I know. I don't like this Health Care Bill but Employer Based Insurance broke GM and makes America far less competitive on the World Market. I want Health Care Nationalized, so that Americans will no longer be slaves to the Insurance industry
All it does is shift the burden to more people and add more bureaucracy on top which costs money.
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Old 11-10-2009, 02:56 PM
 
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All it does is shift the burden to more people and add more bureaucracy on top which costs money.
I take it the civil war discussion is over, and now we can just merge this thread with the Health Care thread, since it's been hi-jacked.
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Old 11-10-2009, 03:23 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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I take it the civil war discussion is over, and now we can just merge this thread with the Health Care thread, since it's been hi-jacked.
Guess so.
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Old 11-10-2009, 03:24 PM
 
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Guess so.
So succinct.
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Old 11-10-2009, 03:40 PM
 
Location: Sierra Vista, AZ
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True lets get back to Shock and Awe. I'm looking forward to it, put those FEMA Camps to work.
After All Soylent Green can be Stimulis too
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Old 11-10-2009, 03:43 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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True lets get back to Shock and Awe. I'm looking forward to it, put those FEMA Camps to work.
After All Soylent Green can be Stimulis too
Bah. You talk big and bad like Sherman but I doubt you'd have the stomach to do anything you've suggested.
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Old 11-18-2009, 10:30 AM
 
Location: US Empire, Pac NW
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Insofar as a violent revolution is possible or not - I firmly believe no, it is not possible. The national guard would be called out and the President has the authority to use the armed forces to put down violent rebellion. Any movement would be crushed.

Insofar as a "peaceful" rebellion using words ... that has already begun. See how the Right runs and shoots off their mouths at the slightest difference between their ultra conservative, twisted Bible-fearing theology er, political ideology, wait um, they're one and the same.
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Old 11-18-2009, 11:04 AM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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The problem with the civil war is, we will never have another actual civil war in terms of an actual military conflict between different factions of the country. We could definitely have rioting and other rebellious acts.

In order for the country to break apart, it would have to be political. The leadership of a state or group of states would need to actually have a desire to break off for whatever reason, and pass laws/mandates that would move themselves in that direction. They would have to make an act of defiance towards the United States government. The problem with that is, if you don't follow federal policies they can cut off your funding, so that isn't an option.

So how would it happen? The states planning to break off would need to pass legislation at tax time to have all federal taxes stay in control of the state. They would have to manage all finances in a way that would mirror the federal governments. Then when they choose to defy any new act of the federal government, they could do it without worry of losing their funding. The federal government is not going to go into the state capitol and arrest anyone. That would just encourage more resistance.

The truth is, the probability of this happening is slim. Primarily because of the national political parties, and the general split of power in each state. Just because Texas leans Republican, doesn't mean they only have Republicans in all offices of power. Just like the national elections, the power in Texas flip flops primarily based off the strength of the economy.

Movements like these take time, and in a few years if the Republicans start gaining control of congress and/or the presidency, you can pretty much forget all about a revolution. It'll just remembered as being a silly idea from the whiny minority party when they lost power.
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Old 11-18-2009, 11:29 AM
 
Location: Somewhere out there
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Default Can't Happen? Rigggghhhttttt

I skipped past most of the inter-pages, but IMHO, as regards the OP, I'd have to say YES. There's always a chance that the lazy ones will have had enough and will rise up outa their couchs and protest.

Problem is, we no longer know how to work hard. The innocent folks who endured the last Great Depression did know how to suffer in silence, and to work hard, 7 days a week. They did NOT place unreasonable demands and expectations on their government. Nowadays, we expect it to take care of us. Well, not so much any more. And the more our late-model children experience the easy life, the less they will be willing to go quietly into a dreaded true depression.

They simply have to have their iPhones, their texting, their internet, their easy union-protected jobs, their parent-provided Honda Civics, their own Visa cards from the age of 18.

Now comes absolutely NO jobs, no free food, no job creation programs (building what, exactly?) on the scale of Grand Coulee dam, for instance. All that stuff's been done and overdone. and the American population was only what then? About 60 million?

So OK. Let's say we decide to build a vast network of cross-country highspeed passenger rail systems. Millions of jobs, right? Trillions of dollars come from... from.... China?

And then, who is going to use it afterwards? Only if the fare is free, or you need to go across country often, and have 3 days to do it.

Or perhaps we cover the landscape with wind turbines. Or with solar cells. Or we hand-plant and reap wheat the old fashioned way.

Question: can it be done from my comfy laptop seat? I really don't want to go outside and be cold!

And so then what? We hand all those 100 million kids a shovel and a rake? Nope: it's gotta be done with ultra-modern equipment. So what, again, do these kids do? And what about all those folks in their mid-50s, who anticipated a nice comfortable retirement in ten years, but now they've been laid off by GM, Chrysler, GE, AIG, etc..

Can they go get another job? Even if they do, now making $10/hr instead of the over-protected union jobs at $35/hr plus maximum bennies? AS the cvalue of their scant retirement funds goes quickly downhill with inflation?

Will they go down happily? What happens when the gov'mint starts imposing limitations? No more credit, jobs, unemployment insurance.

Plus, steadily rising taxes. And possibly, some national or international health problems. And mandated government service just to "control" the masses of unemployed young restless men? Obama has already suggested a new National Service Arm. See how it works?

Will we just take it all laying down? As for The National Guard, a study/pool was conducted a few years ago as to whether those boys would fire on their fellow citizens and friends, in their own home town, when all those citizens demand is their Constitutional rights.

The overwhelming answer? They would not. They will not support governmental tyranny.

As well, because of the perceived threat to our Constitutional rights since the elelction of Obama and his henchman Attorney General, the US population is now heavily armed with more AR-15s and surplus AK-47s and 9mm pistols than ever before. That's no longer a unique or rare type of rifle, with Ruger and others selling them as deer rifles now. Hundreds of thousands of veterans have held and used them and they are no longer scary to a majority of the population.

Military ammo is sold out most everywhere. Why is that, do you suppose? Is it a vast and abiding trust in the government or our fellow man? Do you think that any new restrictive or confiscatory legislation banning such firearms will be adhered to? Ever hear of scofflaws?

Civil disobedience flourishes all over this world in 2009, with even more bloody events speculated for the next few years. Anyone willing to state, categorically, that it cannot happen here? That we're too civilized?

Hey; just try to cut off our supply of Golden Crisp cereal or texting or the iMusic Store!

"Run For it, Martha!"
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