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Old 11-11-2009, 02:46 PM
 
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I know what you mean, but he's confusing the two. Italian is an ethnicity, a subcategory of Caucasian. C is a race, I is an ethnicity. Hate to pester you with Wikipedia resources but the "List of ethnic groups" surely would make it clearer for him.

Anyway,

How is he confusing the two? he calls himself Italian and that's it. See ya.

 
Old 11-11-2009, 02:47 PM
 
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Scientifically speaking, Arabs and North Indians (Indian subcontinent) are considered Caucasian. Also the term Caucasoid and Caucasian has subtle differences. Many more groups are considered Caucasoid. However, socially, Arabs and Indians are considered "Asian." But for social stigmatic reasons, they are often not included in the Caucasian race category because there are many racists in this country that don't want to acknowledge than at Arab and a Greek are both WHITE The good ole boys and race baters don't like that!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_race
 
Old 11-11-2009, 02:49 PM
 
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Scientifically speaking, Arabs and North Indians (Indian subcontinent) are considered Caucasian. However, socially, Arabs and Indians are considered "Asian." But for social stigmatic reasons, they are often not included in the Caucasian race category because there are many racists in this country that don't want to acknowledge than at Arab and a Greek are both WHITE

Actually there is no such thing as white, it's a myth
 
Old 11-11-2009, 02:53 PM
 
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Actually there is no such thing as white, it's a myth
It is true. I agree 100%. I just used that because the term Caucasian and White are used interchangeably.
 
Old 11-11-2009, 03:00 PM
 
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In Italy/Sicily, my bf told me that they don't call themselves white, but Italian or Sicilian. He said that when they come her they are almost coerced into picking a color. His true identity is Sicilian, but he had to identify himself as a generic category such as white. Why?
They don't do it because for the most part, classification by "color" is an American thing. Fairer-skinned (or even olive-skinned) people over there are more likely to refer to their nationality. That's it. Nothing to it really.
 
Old 11-11-2009, 03:05 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Why should you even have to put your nationality on an employment application?
You wouldn't. But you were talking about RACE. Italians, Jews, The Irish, Germans, etc. are all WHITE.

When talking about what culture one identifies most with, then people can choose whatever they want. If I am half Italian, half Chinese, I can identify culturally as either one, or as both. Or if I marry a Jew, I could identify as Jewish. Those are cultures, which are not the same thing as race.
 
Old 11-11-2009, 03:13 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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In Italy/Sicily, my bf told me that they don't call themselves white, but Italian or Sicilian. He said that when they come her they are almost coerced into picking a color. His true identity is Sicilian, but he had to identify himself as a generic category such as white. Why?
Is this a liberal thing, where everyone has to be classified, placed into a box with a label on it?

I guess the only answer I can come up with is that it makes the bigots feel better to classify everyone by skin color, race, ethnicity, annual income and even religion.
 
Old 11-11-2009, 03:15 PM
 
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If Italians and Jews are white, then why are some of them so brown skinned? I've met Italians in the Northeast that could easily pass for slightly lighter skinned Central or South Americans. And where are the Spanish in all of this? Does the ability to speak Spanish not make you white anymore?
 
Old 11-11-2009, 03:26 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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If Italians and Jews are white, then why are some of them so brown skinned? I've met Italians in the Northeast that could easily pass for slightly lighter skinned Central or South Americans. And where are the Spanish in all of this? Does the ability to speak Spanish not make you white anymore?
I'm sure the bigots divide them up into groups too. Look at Iraq, you can both have ancestry going back 2,000 years in the same exact town, and they divide people by their religious sect.

A spin off from Bill Engvall "Here's your box"
 
Old 11-11-2009, 03:28 PM
 
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All of humankind came out of Africa- if one believes in the scientific validity of Human evolution, and I do-we all had dark skin as we left the cradle of humanity in east Africa.

Modern day 'Europeans' vary greatly- there are Irish, Scots, Swedes, Germans with dark hair and eyes, and those of Greek, Italian and Spanish ancestry with blue eyes--

I have much Celtic ancestry, and have dark curly hair and dark eyes---I have Italian friends of Sicilian ancestry with blue or green eyes and light colored hair- I guess I have more 'African ancestry' then them
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