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It seems that the way history is being understood that Americans will increasingly reject all symbols of the confederacy. Most state flags have had to give up their old Southern flags. Anytime the confederate flag is waved in public it becomes a major police issue because it is viewed as trouble-making. Blacks & ricans react quite negatively & the cops have to tell the confederate to put the flag away or have it taken away.
All this study into the Civil war is good but not if it means accepting confederate revision of history. The cause is over & younger people don't have any interest in a bad chapter of American history.
A racist, are you?
The Southern Cross is "waved" in many places with no police involvment.
Your statements of "Confederates waving confederate flags" merely shows how far you have to remove yourself from intelligent discourse to support your statements.
NO ONE likes the Klan, including most Southoners.
The Klan are not "confederates", and there is no such thing as "the confederate flag".
Thanks for sharing. I'd suggest that those folks take their flag to any inner city and fly it proudly. I'm sure those folks will be very appreciative of the fine Southern culture.
By the way, most military units prohibit the flying of the Rebel flag. It seems many of the non-redneck soldiers take exception to it. Go figure.
Both examples of the horrors of revisionist history, brought to you by a governemtn that needed to explain away an atrocious war, black racists, and white guilt.
The Southern Cross is "waved" in many places with no police involvment.
Your statements of "Confederates waving confederate flags" merely shows how far you have to remove yourself from intelligent discourse to support your statements.
NO ONE likes the Klan, including most Southoners.
The Klan are not "confederates", and there is no such thing as "the confederate flag".
Thanks for the "intelligent discourse" even though you misspelled "Southoners" Sorry but the Klan are the confederates & nothing you say changes that!
Thanks for the "intelligent discourse" even though you misspelled "Southoners" Sorry but the Klan are the confederates & nothing you say changes that!
Nothing?
Not that the Klan were headquartered in the north?
Not that the Klan were allowed to be a legitimate men's club by a 'progressive' President?
How about all the Klan chapters that are NOT in the southern parts of the USA?
I'm sure a quick Google search could pull up several in your enlightened state of Californication....
Shall we next discuss the number of Native Americans, Mexicans, and Settlers were slaughtered over gold so you can live in the house that you have?
I enjoyed reading your comments about Maryland but not your last 2 paragraphs. I do recall that Maryland was too Catholic to allow slavery & the old Protestants [Episcopalians\Lutherans] were too "catholic" to allow slavery. It was an evangelical baptist mindset that allowed slavery for some reason! .
Sir
I do not understand why you did not read what I wrote. Before the Civil War it was the NORTH that was Puritanical and very religious and the SOUTH that was relatively liberal religiously but conservative about slavery and other things. Too Catholic to allow slavery? Um yeah wrong.
I am not here to defend the evangelicals or anything but you seem not to understand the evangelical types were the lower class in the Pre Civil War South and were way more dominant in the North.
The war changed all that and after the war New England which started the whole mess became humanistic and agnostic. Lets face it if it wasnt for Irish and Italian Catholics in New England the place today would be about 90% atheist. The descendents of the Puritans today are basically atheist. My example of Maryland was to show that Maryland was the only state below the Mason Dixon that did not go through the conservative religious shift and therefore today is not necessarily considered Southern.
THE DEFINTION OF WHAT IS SOUTHERN CULTURE IS VERY DIFFERENT TODAY THAN WHAT IT WAS IN 1859.
Actually I think the social conservatism in the south has been there since colonial times, part of the more rural part of the U.S. and all. Still love it, can't wait to get there .
California sur, you cannot apply today's values on 1861, it just isn't correct to do so. When discussing things like this you have to put your 1860's ways of thinking cap on.
Nothing?
Not that the Klan were headquartered in the north?
Not that the Klan were allowed to be a legitimate men's club by a 'progressive' President?
How about all the Klan chapters that are NOT in the southern parts of the USA?
I'm sure a quick Google search could pull up several in your enlightened state of Californication....
Shall we next discuss the number of Native Americans, Mexicans, and Settlers were slaughtered over gold so you can live in the house that you have? Pot/Kettle
Horty
Many truths here. The Ku Klux Klan simply means Circle clan as Kuklux=kyklos Greek for circle. The old KKK founded in Pulaski Tenn story is about as true as getting 70 virgins in the after life. The Knights of the Golden Circle was the original group which was a Freemasonic organization. The KGC was hq'ed in Cincinnati Ohio which during the war WAS A SOUTHERN TOWN and was under lockdown similar to Baltimore and other places.
The KKK merely thought people were stupid enough not to notice Knights of the Circle Klan and Knights of the Golden Circle didnt sound similar. They are the same group. In fact one of the Klans greatest leaders Confederate General Albert Pike is buried in the Masonic Temple in Washington DC. He wrote the book Morals and Dogma.
I think people really do need a history lesson about racism. Most people do not know who Thomas Dixon was. Dixon wrote the Clansmen which became Birth of a Nation. Dixon also wrote books about Abraham Lincoln being a good Southerner and about Davis because both liked blacks in their place below the white mans boot.
Miss Senator Theodore Bilbos Take your Pick Seperation or Mongrelization also Praises Lincoln because Bilbo said Lincoln knew the Negro was not good enough to live with whites and even President Grant tried to buy the Domincan Republic to move them there (true).
1900s Southern Writer. Lionized Lincoln as a Southerner and also loved the Lost Cause at the same time. Dedicated his first Lincoln book to his College roomie and First Southern President Elected Since Lincoln Woodrow Wilson.
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Sorry but the Klan are the confederates & nothing you say changes that!
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