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Old 11-29-2009, 04:25 PM
 
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Many people believe that the radical extremists that the nightly news talks about are representative of Muslim religion and culture. The news sensationalizes this factor. This, coupled with the political wars that we are participating in Muslim countries causes uninformed people to be haters.

Intelligent, thoughtful people who understand the true meanings and teachings of Islam do not fear nor hate Muslims.

20yrsinBranson

 
Old 11-29-2009, 04:30 PM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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Perhaps so, but because they associate with Islam (and seem to be the larger and more warlike extremists than other religion extremists) then their outspoken nature makes it seem like they actually 'speak' for the entire religion.
No Nexus, you are right and Ron is wrong. Trust me I have done plenty of research into these matters. What Ron is talking about is more like the Turkish and Bosnia muslims. They have a much more pragmatic Islam than the more fundamentalist Saudi Arabia/Afghanistan. The Turks do not follow many of the teachings of the Qu'ran because it didn't apply well when they were conquering the previously Christian lands of southeastern Europe. The Turks were relatively peaceful when they took over a new land because there was no financial benefit to killing off all the Jews/Christians. Instead the Turks would force all non-believers to submit to them, and make them pay a tax. This tax made the Turks wealthy while also solidying Islam as the religion of authority in the territories. Many converted to Islam just to avoid paying the Jizyah tax.

15 out of the 19 Terrorists on 9/11 were from Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia is the birthplace of Muhammad(Mecca), and was the area that Muhammad conquered during his lifetime. The Saudi's are fundamentalists, meaning they follow the Qu'ran and the teachings of Muhammad very closely, they are the true muslims. The Turks and many other more western muslims have an altered version of Islam because real Islam doesn't work well in a diverse world.
 
Old 11-29-2009, 04:45 PM
 
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Old 11-29-2009, 04:46 PM
 
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What many people do when they compare Christians to Muslims is they tend to focus on the excesses of the Roman Catholic Church as being representative of what real Christianity is.

The Catholic church for a long period of time was corrupt as anything, and was hungry for wealth. The Catholic church extorted money from the populace by selling them indulgences, and they made up rules like "you can only repent in the church through confession to a priest". They would sprinkle water over babies to baptize them into the Catholic faith, which is against the principles of baptism(since to be baptized you have to be completely submerged). And many many other things.

Even though the catholic church was and possibly still is an extremely corrupt organization, it doesn't mean that Christianity is corrupt and immoral. Christianity in its core is the only truly tolerant and non-violent religion in the world.

And if anyone tries to quote anything from the Old testament I am going to slap you, because the Old testament is the Jewish bible, and while it is included in the Christian bible, the new testament abolishes many of the old laws and teachings from the old testament, like stoning.
 
Old 11-29-2009, 08:09 PM
 
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What many people do when they compare Christians to Muslims is they tend to focus on the excesses of the Roman Catholic Church as being representative of what real Christianity is.

The Catholic church for a long period of time was corrupt as anything, and was hungry for wealth. The Catholic church extorted money from the populace by selling them indulgences, and they made up rules like "you can only repent in the church through confession to a priest". They would sprinkle water over babies to baptize them into the Catholic faith, which is against the principles of baptism(since to be baptized you have to be completely submerged). And many many other things.

Even though the catholic church was and possibly still is an extremely corrupt organization, it doesn't mean that Christianity is corrupt and immoral. Christianity in its core is the only truly tolerant and non-violent religion in the world.

And if anyone tries to quote anything from the Old testament I am going to slap you, because the Old testament is the Jewish bible, and while it is included in the Christian bible, the new testament abolishes many of the old laws and teachings from the old testament, like stoning.
Can you explain the ''Forcing 3-year old slave girls into sex during the Mosaic Law in the Bible!''
"....The Tannaïtic Midrash Sifre to Numbers in §157 comments on the above quoted commandment of MOSES to kill the Midianite women as well as the male children...."
"....According to the Tannaïte Rabbis,
MOSES therefore had ordered the Israelites to kill all women older than three years and a day, because they were "suitable for having sexual relations." [138]...."
"Said Rabbi Joseph, "Come and take note: A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse....."
"A girl three years and one day old is betrothed by intercourse. "A girl three years old may be betrothed through an act of sexual intercourse," the words of R. Meir. And sages say, "Three years and one day old."....."

http://www.answering-christianity.com/age3.htm
 
Old 11-29-2009, 08:12 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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People find it easy to dislike and/or fear that which they do not understand. Simple human nature.
 
Old 11-29-2009, 08:13 PM
 
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This section tells us about how fathers sticking their fingers into their daughters:

Let us look at the following Verses in the Bible: "If a man takes a wife and, after laying with her, dislikes her and slanders her and gives her a bad name, saying, 'I married this woman but when I approached her, I did not find proof of her virginity,' then the girl's father and mother shall bring proof [how do you think they would do that?]that she was a virgin to the town elders at the gate. The girl's father will say to the elders, 'I gave my daughter in marriage to this man, but he dislikes her. Now he has slandered her and said, 'I did not find your daughter to be a virgin.' But here is the proof of my daughter's virginity.' Then her parents shall display the cloth[the father would literally stick his two fingers covered with a piece of cloth into his daughter's vagina before she gets married and keep that bloody cloth for as long as his daughter is married]with before the elders of the town, and the elders shall take the man and punish him. (From the NIV Bible, Deuteronomy 22:13-18)"
Here is a more clear translation from Hebrew Resources: "The girl's father and mother shall produce the evidence of the girl's virginity before the elders of the town at the gate. And the girl's father shall say to the elders, "I gave this man my daughter to wife, but he had taken an aversion to her; so he has made up charges, saying, 'I did not find your daughter a virgin.' But here is the evidence of my daughter's virginity!" And they shall spread out the cloth before the elders of the town. (From the New JPS translation, Deuteronomy 22:15-17)"
The New JPS translation of Deuteronomy 22:15-17 makes it even more clear about having the parents of the girl displaying the bloody piece of cloth before the elders of the town.
According to the Talmud, the cloth should be "A cloth of less than 3 square finger-breadths. (From the Talmud, Eruvin 29b-30a and Succah 16a)", and before it is being used, it should be "soft, woolen and clean. (From the Talmud, Niddah 17a)"

Fathers sticking their fingers into their daughters' vaginas before marriage in the Bible.
 
Old 11-29-2009, 08:19 PM
 
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Human equality in the bible


Introduction: When it comes to human affairs and relations, slavery is one of the back bones of the spine of Christianity and its principles: "All who are under the yoke of slavery should consider their masters worthy of full respect, so that God's name and our teaching may not be slandered. (From the NIV Bible, 1 Timothy 6:1)"
"Let all who are under the yoke of slavery regard their masters as worthy of all honor, so that the name of God and the teaching may not be defamed. (From the RSV Bible, 1 Timothy 6:1)"
"A student is not greater than the teacher. A slave is not greater than the master. (From the NIV Bible, Matthew 10:24)"
We clearly see that the Bible is not a book for freeing slaves. Slavery was practiced very badly during the times of Judaism and Christianity, and was fought against and ended during the times of Islam. It is part of the Bible's "teaching" to practice and promote slavery! And fighting it would "slander" or "defame" the teachings of the Bible.

Slavery and Human Equality in Islam vs the Bible on www.answering-christianity.com
 
Old 11-29-2009, 08:22 PM
 
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Can a slave request his freedom form his Christian or Jewish master in the Bible?

Let us look at Leviticus 25:44-46 "Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can will them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly."
What kind of a human value does the Bible give to slaves? If slaves and their children must be inherited and passed down to newer generations as slaves, then how in the world will they ever gain their freedom? Does the Bible believe in Freedom? Does the Bible believe in liberating human beings from slavery? Apparently it does not!.
"All who are under the yoke of slavery should consider their masters worthy of full respect, so that God's name and our teaching may not be slandered. (From the NIV Bible, 1 Timothy 6:1)"
"Let all who are under the yoke of slavery regard their masters as worthy of all honor, so that the name of God and the teaching may not be defamed. (From the RSV Bible, 1 Timothy 6:1)"
In either translation, we clearly see that the Bible is not a book for freeing slaves. Slavery was practiced very badly during the times of Judaism and Christianity, and was fought against and ended during the times of Islam. It is part of the Bible's "teaching" to practice and promote slavery! And fighting it would "slander" or "defame" the teachings of the Bible.

So basically a slave have no freedom in your bible, what happend to the freedom?

Can a slave request his freedom from his Muslim or Christian owner?

 
Old 11-29-2009, 08:22 PM
 
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People find it easy to dislike and/or fear that which they do not understand. Simple human nature.
Then, there are those who dislike things that they do understand.
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