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Old 11-29-2009, 08:24 PM
 
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Liberal movements within Islam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It is my hope that there will be a growing crescendo within the Muslim world to apply a more pragmatic and understanding Islam.

In much the same way that (most) Christian faiths progressed beyond the Crusades and anti-intellectualism that pervaded Europe prior to the Enlightenment, I hope that a more modern, tolerant, and understanding Islam emerges. At the very least, I want leaders of the Muslim world to speak out unequivocally against extremism as applies to Islam.

I also would like JUST ONE Muslim to tell me that it is OK to critique and question Islam and not say it is OK to kill someone who converts away from Islam. I would also like JUST ONE Muslim to say it is OK for a man to be gay and practice it, as he was born that way.

 
Old 11-29-2009, 08:26 PM
 
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Because of what they believe. Because of what they do. Because of what they say they want to do.
 
Old 11-29-2009, 08:27 PM
 
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Islam is foreign to my country, foreign to my shore. Pretty simple pretext. You CAN understand that, can you not? Ron, are you a Muslim?
Muslims have been in America since (and before) the founding of the country.
 
Old 11-29-2009, 08:29 PM
 
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lol plz read and Redshadowz plz explain this to me

Some Jews and Christians claim that the praised graphical pornography in the Bible is actually a conversation between a husband and his wife. They know well that claiming otherwise would bring total shame to the gospel of porn, because of the (literally) x-rated and low-life graphical pornography. There is ample evidence that proves their claim to be bogus and desperate. Let us look at this example from the many below:
Song of Songs 8:1-3 "If only you were to me like a brother, who was nursed at my mother's breasts! Then, if I found you outside, I would kiss you, and no one would despise me. I would lead you and bring you to my mother's house-- she who has taught me. I would give you spiced wine to drink [i.e., her vagina's semen!], the nectar of my pomegranates. His left arm is under my head and his right arm embraces me."
She wished if he were her brother so that she wouldn't have to take him home in secret. Now if he were truly her husband, then what would prompt her to wish that he was her brother? Were husbands back then not allowed to live with their wives? If so, how did they then consummate and have children and raise generations and societies? Were they allowed to live with each others for a while?
The obvious answer is that they were not a husband and a wife. And still, let us assume for the sake of the desperate and ridiculous argument that they were a husband and a wife, then what about her wishes about him being her brother?! What about this pornography? Are we now going to also argue that it's ok for the sister to sexually fantasize about her brother, and to make inappropriate references about him like this?!
Furthermore, according to "Sex in the Bible" documentary film, which hosted many renowned Bible-theologians and Ph.D. professors, the two were "a maiden (virgin) and her lover" and not husband and wife.

X-Rated Pornography in the Bible.* Women's vaginas taste like "wine".

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Old 11-29-2009, 08:30 PM
 
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What does any of that have to do with the topic?
 
Old 11-29-2009, 08:31 PM
 
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Im sorry for doing this but Redshadowz talks out of his ass, i want him to explain all that to me before he says anything and i will post more to see what the so called expert knows about his religion.
 
Old 11-29-2009, 08:36 PM
 
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Killing innocent children

2 Kings 2
23 From there Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, some youths came out of the town and jeered at him. "Go on up, you baldhead!" they said. "Go on up, you baldhead!"
24 He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the LORD . Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the youths.

Important Note: When Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him tried to migrate from Mecca to the city of Al-Ta'if, the pagans there had their own children throw rocks on the Prophet until his face and body were swollen and bleeding. The Prophet peace be upon him prayed for the people of Al-Ta'if to be Guided to Islam. And ultimately they were Guided and they embraced Islam.
Numbers 31:17-18
"Now kill all the boys [innocent kids]. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man."

Prophet Muhammad is a murderer for killing the enemies? WHAT ABOUT THE BIBLE'S PROPHETS' MURDERS?
 
Old 11-29-2009, 08:40 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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Then, there are those who dislike things that they do understand.
assuming they do, in fact, understand it....
 
Old 11-29-2009, 08:49 PM
 
Location: Central Ohio
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Lots of (hate)threads on CD about Islam and Muslims. Even as it relates to Mr. Obama someone mentions Islam.

Are you guys just scared of something you know nothing about. It's very clear that many of you DO NOT know anything about Islam.

What is it that you fear?
They're murderers? They cut the heads off innocent people and hang 12 year old girls who've been raped?

The difference between Christianity and Islam is Christianity went through a reformation. Islam is still stuck in the 7th century.
 
Old 11-29-2009, 08:58 PM
 
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They're murderers? They cut the heads off innocent people and hang 12 year old girls who've been raped?

The difference between Christianity and Islam is Christianity went through a reformation. Islam is still stuck in the 7th century.
Which reformation ru talking about? why are your troops killing, torturing and raping innocent muslims in Iraq and Afghanistan. Where is your religion of peace, what happend to helping out the poor people instead of massacring them?

Dont talk like you know what your talking about, because your soldiers are making their lives a living hell right now. Which muslim country are your troops going to head to next to commit the same evil acts?

Sadly a lot of muslims suffered enough in the hands of your troops, a lot of muslims in Afghanistan, and Iraq think about Christianity the same why you guys think about Islam.
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