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You idiots are like telling the Americans GIs who liberated the Jews at the Nazi camps criminal because some may be real criminals. Maybe but the camps were outragous in the first place fools.
I'm not sure what you are getting at, but your post raises an interesting point.
All though the Bush years, the Neo-Cons were quick to make analogies between the Global War on Terrorâ„¢ and the Second World War. With that in mind, I think that one would be hard pressed to argue that the atrocities committed by al-Qaeda pale in comparison to those committed by either Imperial Japan or Nazi Germany yet despite those atrocities, the U.S. didn't lose sight of it moral obligation to observe the rules of law. When Japanese or Nazi forces tortured and summarily executed American POW's, the U.S., as a matter of national policy, never resorted to the same practices. As a matter of national policy we remained within the bounds of the Geneva Convention treating both Japanese and German POW's humanly and with all due respect.
The argument that we are at war with a ruthless adversary which necessitates that we lower our moral and legal standards to those of your adversary rang no more true during WWII than it should ring now.
I'm not sure what you are getting at, but your post raises an interesting point.
All though the Bush years, the Neo-Cons were quick to make analogies between the Global War on Terrorâ„¢ and the Second World War. With that in mind, I think that one would be hard pressed to argue that the atrocities committed by al-Qaeda pale in comparison to those committed by either Imperial Japan or Nazi Germany yet despite those atrocities, the U.S. didn't lose sight of it moral obligation to observe the rules of law. When Japanese or Nazi forces tortured and summarily executed American POW's, the U.S., as a matter of national policy, never resorted to the same practices. As a matter of national policy we remained within the bounds of the Geneva Convention treating both Japanese and German POW's humanly and with all due respect.
The argument that we are at war with a ruthless adversary which necessitates that we lower our moral and legal standards to those of your adversary rang no more true during WWII than it should ring now.
No one is talking about lowering our standards to those of our adversary.
When you make outrageously exagerated points that bear no semblance of reality - but are only designed to win a debating point - you seriously diminish your credibility on all topics.
You know what the big difference is there? Those were countries we were at war with. This is a organization that runs across state lines and hides in obscurity. If you use a hammer to attack a fly we're sure to be exhausted before we ever kill the fly. We must not self-delude and work dumber and harder as some of you folks appear to want to do, purposefully removing tools because of some ideology you can't seem to let go of in the face of Fatwa's declaring war on you and your family.
You know what the big difference is there? Those were countries we were at war with. This is a organization that runs across state lines and hides in obscurity. If you use a hammer to attack a fly we're sure to be exhausted before we ever kill the fly. We must not self-delude and work dumber and harder as some of you folks appear to want to do, purposefully removing tools because of some ideology you can't seem to let go of in the face of Fatwa's declaring war on you and your family.
You know what the big difference is there? Those were countries we were at war with. This is a organization that runs across state lines and hides in obscurity. If you use a hammer to attack a fly we're sure to be exhausted before we ever kill the fly. We must not self-delude and work dumber and harder as some of you folks appear to want to do, purposefully removing tools because of some ideology you can't seem to let go of in the face of Fatwa's declaring war on you and your family.
I agree. We are not fighting a standing army of a nation.
We are fighting a radical religious group funded by many other nations covertly. They have no country they call home, they have no true recognized leader. They have cells or sects or groups scattered throughout the world. Can you recognize any of them on sight like you would military in uniform ?
Call it the War on Terror but it's not like any other war we fought.
We're sending our military in to fight nameless, faceless insurgents who look and act and mingle with the common citizens. The terrorists do not fight like an army does in war. Their tactics are different and they have no qualm blowing up innocent citizens. They do not honor rules of engagement in war because they do not have to yet we do.
We are fighting against an entity that does not play by the rules and that is why we can never win.
We capture one of them and we follow our rules of the legal system.
They capture one of us and they behead them on TV for all to see.
IMHO we need to change tactics. Bring home the military and engage in covert operations instead. Build up those forces that perform covert operations and then go in and fight this war.
No one is talking about lowering our standards to those of our adversary.
Then you need to go back up and re-read this thread. Speak and defend for own comments, attempting to defend posts that you have clearly not read puts your credibility at risk.
Now what were you saying?
"Terrorist are NOT covered by any law foreign or domestic."
"should have lined the terrorists against the wall and shot them while we had the chance. now the current administration shall not have the balls to do anything to these terrorists."
"I have a solution to the problem, from now on when we are fighting an enemy who doesn't wear a uniform and is not fighting for any recognized nation, don't take any prisoners."
"Remember the good old days when POWs were pumped for information, then led outside and shot? Why can't we do that anymore?! It's cheap, effective, and our country would be much safer."
I want to see a line by line accounting of that estimate. Knowing N.Y. I think there is a lot of double billing going on.
this is what they said it would cost
$200 million the first year $200 million each year after
I can see it would cost that much, here in Atlanta the creep that shot the judge here and his secretary, a deputy and a fed agent drained our city dry in just legal defense
it was horrible for the victims families and our city every one knew he was guilty as hell, but he got to play the system
you think it is not going to cost this in security, defense teams, shutting the city down is not going to cost this much and maybe more???
dream on
Wish I could give you a rep point for that but the system won't let me. I'm appalled at how easily the OP can so easily dismiss the Constitution and the laws of this country.
Totally agree.
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