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Indeed. Modern industrial nations owe their success to the education and health of their citizens. I'm astounded by those who can't see beyond their own personal interests to realize that insuring a highly educated and healthy population is beneficial to all.
Exactly!
Health, and education, to me are the "sacred cows" that should never, EVER, be treated as money-making enterprises.
When healthcare and higher education start to become priced out of the reach of a nations citizens, the only direction for that nations development is down.
I'm not anti-capitalism by any means - I'm all for entrepreneurship, innovation, productivity and reaping the rewards of one's own endeavours and hard work - but I utterly abhor the concept of profit making from the fundamental foundations of a supposedly "developed" society - namely, health and education.
Make money wherever and however you like - but don't start sucking the blood from the very keystones of our society.
Or volunteer in service to America. The numbers continue to rise in the people joining AmeriCorps, while the numbers continue to rise in unemployment. Does any one see a connection here? or is it just me.
Any connection would be minimal. I'm sure many people look to organizations like AmeriCorps and the military as options in tough economic times, but there's no significant relation between the unemployment rate and enrollment in these organizations.
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Any connection would be minimal. I'm sure many people look to organizations like AmeriCorps and the military as options in tough economic times, but there's no significant relation between the unemployment rate and enrollment in these organizations.
Through AmeriCorps people can get an allotment put towards their student loans. The connection I see is the the increase people joining and from there most will go into a public service job...and well Obama is quoted promoting these types of decisions for career moves...at the same time there really isn't much in the form of job creation yet.
I know this type of thinking is stretching out towards the 'tinfoil hat' but yet, I just think it to be hinky that's all.
Actually it isn't an Obama 'on his watch' type of a connection either...just took an interests in watching numbers by comparison several years back... (1961 - present)
Yes, its just 'a me' thing. But if the goal is to obtain that some time in the future for every man and woman to hold a government, public service, type of position, what steps would be made now, to bench mark it, for generations to come?
Through AmeriCorps people can get an allotment put towards their student loans. The connection I see is the the increase people joining and from there most will go into a public service job...and well Obama is quoted promoting these types of decisions for career moves...at the same time there really isn't much in the form of job creation yet.
I know this type of thinking is stretching out towards the 'tinfoil hat' but yet, I just think it to be hinky that's all.
Actually it isn't an Obama 'on his watch' type of a connection either...just took an interests in watching numbers by comparison several years back... (1961 - present)
Yes, its just 'a me' thing. But if the goal is to obtain that some time in the future for every man and woman to hold a government, public service, type of position, what steps would be made now, to bench mark it, for generations to come?
That's a hefty assumption. I can't argue your conclusion, but I see no evidence for the premise.
This is just more government crapola. If someone borrows money from someone else then they should be required to pay it back. That has been a well accepted law of economics for thousands of years now. Of course, politicians always think that economic law doesn't apply to their policies. They always think this and they are always proven wrong. More social engineering. If the kid borrows the kid should pay back. it's simple.
As far as working in the public sector? I know a few people that work for the feds that are perfectly intelligent, capable people. For the most part though you are going to find the losers.
Think back to when you were in school. Remember the real go-getters. The people everyone knew without a doubt were going to be successful. The people that went to Ivy League schools. How many of them aspired to work in the public sector? LOLs. None.
Never heard one of them say "I cant wait to finsh at Harvard so I can be a government regulator." LOLs. Only people that take those jobs were the ones that graduated at the bottom of their class......at the public university. LOLs.
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It took him almost 20 year to pay for his own loans even after he made millions on the book of lies about his daddy.
It took him almost 20 years to pay his traffic tickets and only after someone told him to pay them once he decided to run for this office did he pay his FINES.
He believes he is above the law.
If you signed on the dotted lines then you owe the money.
So he wants to bailout people who went to college but he SCREWS over all those people who lost their homes in the last year.
Amazing, how he let people lose their homes in record numbers last year while hiding back some of the stimulus money but yet wants to screw over those who were good enough to lend money to a student.
Sounds to me he is going backwards here.
Hey Barry, how about those home owners who lost their homes thanks to you?
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Do these people not know how to "create" jobs for our citizens? I mean seriously. There has to be some work that has to be done.
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Oabma seesm to forget that the laons are not his meoney but the peoples money. Just like the bankloans we want our moeny back for the loan. It was not a gift. Why not just instruct Fannioe and Freddie to fiorgive those housing loans they hold.Because it just teaches and reenforces irresonsibilty and is the taxpayer money just as the bankloans are.More deals aginst the national interest to buy votes is what this is.Why didn;t he just devide the stimulus amoung all the people then. Because he wanted to reward speical interest he owed.
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The world has truly gone mad.
Don't pay your mortgage
Don't pay your credit cards
Now don't pay your student loans.
Where will it end?
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What ever happened to personal responsibility? If I loan someone a dollar, I hope to get it back...these type of Stupid policies will continue to devalue the dollar and open the door for corruption. Remember when doctors were not paying back their loans? I can understand if someone takes a job in the public sector and provides a service, where a small percentage of the loan is paid off each year, but this loan forgiveness crap is again more stupid socialism. Is BHO talking to Hugo Hitler Chavez daily or something? We are not Venezuela
Congratulations, none of you are smart enough to even read the second post in the thread.
I feel there are a lot of people who have absolutely no understanding of why the Federal Govt got involved in student loans. Why does the Govt. think the availability of Education is valuable to the Country? To those people, take a little time to educate yourself about the reasons and history of the programs, since their inception, in 1965. A little education, can go a long way, a lot of education, can go a tremendous way.
You know ... I'm think this is BS. I'm not going to get all HE'S A SOCIALIST because he's not, but this is yet another Obama rewarding failure measure and it's bulldoo.
The world has truly gone mad.
Don't pay your mortgage
Don't pay your credit cards
Now don't pay your student loans.
Where will it end?
It will end when people FINALLY STOP RE-ELECTING the LIFER members of the Congress and the Senate( both Democrat and Republican) who do nothing but tow the party line and keep propping up failed big business WITH OUR TAX DOLLARS with all these bailouts.
70 members of the Senate who voted for Ben Bernanke to continue as the Chairman of the Federal Reserve deserve to be thrown OUT. Ben Bernanke was none other than one of the engineers of the bailouts -- of all things. He is the LAST person that has shown any concern for taxpayers. Certainly those that nominated him have shown no concern for their average constituents. I bet there was some financial incentive for Senate members to renominate him that we'll never find out about.
JUST WAIT UNTIL HYPERINFLATION HITS THE SUPERMARKETS AND PEOPLE CAN NO LONGER AFFORD TO BUY FOOD. That is what will eventually happen with all the printing of money and big government spending and bailouts.Maybe THAT is when people will finally get mad enough to vote GOOD HONEST people into office.
We need to start electing honest NON-LAWYER business owners who are independents or members of a third party to Congress and who DON'T have a long career as an elected official -- even in state or local government. There is just as much corruption there on a smaller scale. Attornies are the ones we can thank for keeping everything so unnecessarily complicated. Let's finally learn our lesson and keep lawyers OUT of public office. (There is no offense intended to the good lawyers out there but keeping all of you out is the only way we get some guarantee we don't add insult to injury in Washington.)
I feel there are a lot of people who have absolutely no understanding of why the Federal Govt got involved in student loans. Why does the Govt. think the availability of Education is valuable to the Country? To those people, take a little time to educate yourself about the reasons and history of the programs, since their inception, in 1965. A little education, can go a long way, a lot of education, can go a tremendous way.
But when EVERYONE gets that same college education it gets diluted.
Why does someone need a Master's degree to be a Librarian ?
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