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I am not a republican. I am a registered, raging independent.
BUT, I sure would like to know just when B.H. Obama JR (or II) became Barry Soetoro, an Indonesian citizen of the Muslim Faith (THAT school record has been shown, also); And, just when (and how) did Barry Soetoro become Barack H. Obama, United States Citizen?
Y'know, I don't really CARE about any Birth Certificate. It is just a piece of paper. It may or may not mean anything. From personal experience, I know this to be true. I don't really care where he was born, because those records could easily be faked.
BUT, I would like to know more about his Indonesian life, and why/how his name was changed to Soetoro, and why/how it was changed back to Obama. Of course, THOSE records could also be faked!
It would also be nice to have some explanation of all the untruths he told about his father, B.H. Obama Sr., in his books. Was it wishful thinking, or deliberate falsehoods, to make his father bigger and better than he actually was? After all, it WOULD be rather difficult to admit that your father was a bigamist and a drunk, especially in a book that purports to praise him!
I simply don't find the man to be trustworthy. I still think he is an empty suit with a big mouth, a Chicago machine politician from the word go, in the old Daley tradition.
Oh dear this has been explained numerous times, you just don't pay attention or refuse to so you could continue believing in conspiracy theories.
Why is this so hard to comprehend?? Obama was named after his father, soon after he was born his parents split. His mother remarried a few years later to a man name Lolo Soetoro. Barack took on his stepfathers last name, his mother and stepfather split a few years later, and went back to his original last name.
Don't forget that Obama had already served for many years as a senator before pursuing a lengthy and well-publicized presidential campaign.
If Obama had been lying about his true citizenship, he would have been positively exposed (I don't mean "people make claims about citizenship and come up with theories," I mean "presidency or campaign revoked due to lying about citizenship" exposed) by now.
Redraven, please, please don't try to drag on about a theory that has been killed... no, made into a stinking horse corpse that has been whipped repeatedly.
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Originally Posted by Redraven
I am not a republican. I am a registered, raging independent.
BUT, I sure would like to know just when B.H. Obama JR (or II) became Barry Soetoro, an Indonesian citizen of the Muslim Faith (THAT school record has been shown, also); And, just when (and how) did Barry Soetoro become Barack H. Obama, United States Citizen?
Y'know, I don't really CARE about any Birth Certificate. It is just a piece of paper. It may or may not mean anything. From personal experience, I know this to be true. I don't really care where he was born, because those records could easily be faked.
BUT, I would like to know more about his Indonesian life, and why/how his name was changed to Soetoro, and why/how it was changed back to Obama. Of course, THOSE records could also be faked!
It would also be nice to have some explanation of all the untruths he told about his father, B.H. Obama Sr., in his books. Was it wishful thinking, or deliberate falsehoods, to make his father bigger and better than he actually was? After all, it WOULD be rather difficult to admit that your father was a bigamist and a drunk, especially in a book that purports to praise him!
I simply don't find the man to be trustworthy. I still think he is an empty suit with a big mouth, a Chicago machine politician from the word go, in the old Daley tradition.
Oh dear this has been explained numerous times, you just don't pay attention or refuse to so you could continue believing in conspiracy theories.
Why is this so hard to comprehend?? Obama was named after his father, soon after he was born his parents split. His mother remarried a few years later to a man name Lolo Soetoro. Barack took on his stepfathers last name, his mother and stepfather split a few years later, and went back to his original last name.
what source do you have from Soetoro's childhood and the time he was born to prove this...because as much as you oppose the conspiracy theories...your theory is just a theory as well because the "media" is told what to say to the people, so if you got this info from a news paper or media then your theory is as valid as these so called "conspiracy theories that you dismiss
Don't forget that Obama had already served for many years as a senator before pursuing a lengthy and well-publicized presidential campaign.
If Obama had been lying about his true citizenship, he would have been positively exposed (I don't mean "people make claims about citizenship and come up with theories," I mean "presidency or campaign revoked due to lying about citizenship" exposed) by now.
Redraven, please, please don't try to drag on about a theory that has been killed... no, made into a stinking horse corpse that has been whipped repeatedly.
In Chicago politics sometimes things go unexposed hints the word corruption which I'm sure would have never happened in Obama/ Soetoro's time in Illinois
what source do you have from Soetoro's childhood and the time he was born to prove this...because as much as you oppose the conspiracy theories...your theory is just a theory as well because the "media" is told what to say to the people, so if you got this info from a news paper or media then your theory is as valid as these so called "conspiracy theories that you dismiss
And we go round and round in circles-
is the sky blue or is it just what color they tell you it is ? Can you prove the sky is blue? The media is told to tell us it is blue- the color swatch could have been forged easily by the man working at Sherwin Williams-how do you know it is blue- but who can prove the blue is really blue?
It has been released, it is what is shown several pages back in this thread, it was certified by the Republican Governor of Hawaii.
Again I will ask, why are the Republicans and conservatives on this board not denouncing this conspiracy garbage??
no. The authenticity ... if you check is highly suspect, but even if it is real, it is not the full birth certificate.
If you read all of the thread, you'd understand that I explained why this is not adequate proof. Anyone can't get that document by declaration of one relative that a person was born.
What part of "HE'S HIDING SOMETHING" escapes you people? On another thread, someone called attention to a study that said liberals had a higher IQ than conservatives .... well, they obviously didn't study THIS group of liberals.
He served 150 days in the Senate before announcing.
Well that's many years isn't it? : Oh .... that's almost 1/2 a year. Many months ... that's what the poster must have meant ... many months. It was just one of those mis-spoken little ditties that Obama himself suffers from ... like visiting 57 states ... or how businesses will see a 3000% reduction in healthcare costs ... (I bet the'd settle for free healthcare, which would be a 100% reduction).
These people are something ... huh?
They literally pull things right out of their backsides, and try to pass it off as fact.
Ooh goody! Obama must be doing really well as president - the long-debunked name/Muslim threads are back!
Yes he is! He's doing extremely well, and Karl Marx would be very proud of him, as are so many of the communists on this board.
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: Oh .... that's almost 1/2 a year. Many months ... that's what the poster must have meant ... many months. It was just one of those mis-spoken little ditties that Obama himself suffers from ... like visiting 57 states ... or how businesses will see a 3000% reduction in healthcare costs ... (I bet the'd settle for free healthcare, which would be a 100% reduction).