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Old 05-07-2010, 10:24 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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One of the anti gunners said (I think it was Pelosi or Boxer, not sure) about the Clinton assault weapons ban, "It's the camels nose under the tent flap."
No politician is going to call for an outright ban on all guns. It would be political suicide. They will try to do it slowly. Death by a thousand cuts. First Saturday night specials, then easily concealed, high capacity handguns, then assault weapons then sniper rifles and on and on till they are all outlawed. Take your head out of the sand, these are well organized, intelligent, sneaky people. They can't come right out and say what they really want because the vast majority of the American people will not stand to have their guns taken away.
By the way, Obama's local legislation called for a ban on all stores selling guns within a 5 mile radius of any school or park. Guess what? This would have closed virtually every gun store in Illinois. And now that he's president he just might have called for the same thing nation wide which would close almost every gun store in America. You see how underhanded people like him are? He knows he can't ban all guns so get rid of the gun stores and no one can buy them. I stand by my statement that the vast majority of Liberal politicians are for the total outlawing of all guns. The facts back me up. Deny them at your own peril, gun owners, Liberal or not.
Heres the problem

First you say that, "Well no one is calling for all guns banned", they aren't. No one that I've seen has called for hand gun bans.

Purposes of self defense and hunting guns will always be allowed, period.

Then, you go and say that the President "might have called" for the same thing nationally.

You do understand the difference between local, state, and national legislature right?

My home county was the first in the country to ban Pit bulls. They have that right, at the local level, just as you can make your county dry.

When local towns outlawed the carrying of guns in their limits, as they did in the 1800's and 1900's, nobody cried foul. It was a local law.

Maybe you should stop worrying about what the President might do. Maybe you should worry about national politicians saying things like "don't retreat, reload" and other statements of the like, that put a bad face on gun ownership.

Americans overwhelmingly support gun ownership. Its never going away, even with a thousand cuts.
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Old 05-07-2010, 12:24 PM
 
Location: NW Nevada
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As a liberal who owns a gun (and lives in the south), I'mma say that it's foolhardy to lump everyone into that stereotype.
I believe that was what I was trying to say. That I am sick to death of stereotypes from both ends of the spectrum claiming to speak for everyone. It would seem that you and I are in the same boat on different ends of the river, wouldn't you say?
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Old 05-07-2010, 12:34 PM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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I, as a private citizen can sell you any gun I own, anywhere, anytime. No background check, no nothing.
Not in California.

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You don't know all of the gun laws.
'Nuff said.
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Old 05-07-2010, 01:00 PM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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Look up the voting records of:
Diane Feinstein
Charles Schumer
Bill Clinton
Barack Obama
Nancy Pelosi
Herry Reid
Barbara Boxer
And on, and on and on...
Actually, Reid's pretty supportive of gun rights. It's about the only thing I can't complain about when it comes to that guy.

A politician that wants to keep their job for any length of time in this state can't be very anti-gun. Nevada is a very pro-gun state, despite Las Vegas being turned into Los Angeles Lite.
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Old 05-07-2010, 01:04 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Not in California.


'Nuff said.
ll firearms sales including private and gun show sales, transfers or loans, must go through a California licensed firearms dealer. An application for sale or transfer must be made with a licensed California gun dealer before any firearm may be sold or transferred.
The purchaser must present the dealer with a valid California Driver's License or a California I.D. Card and supply their thumbprint. The purchaser of a handgun must also provide additional proof of California residence. The dealer sends a copy of the application to the Ca. Dept. of Justice and the local police chief.

The CA DOJ will conduct a background check on each buyer at a fee. There is a 10-day waiting period before delivery of any firearm. Dealers must keep a register of all firearm transfers.

Thats a state law, and I think a very reasonable one. I'd like to see the same thing nationalized.
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Old 05-07-2010, 01:29 PM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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ll firearms sales including private and gun show sales, transfers or loans, must go through a California licensed firearms dealer. An application for sale or transfer must be made with a licensed California gun dealer before any firearm may be sold or transferred.
The purchaser must present the dealer with a valid California Driver's License or a California I.D. Card and supply their thumbprint. The purchaser of a handgun must also provide additional proof of California residence. The dealer sends a copy of the application to the Ca. Dept. of Justice and the local police chief.

The CA DOJ will conduct a background check on each buyer at a fee. There is a 10-day waiting period before delivery of any firearm. Dealers must keep a register of all firearm transfers.

Thats a state law, and I think a very reasonable one. I'd like to see the same thing nationalized.
Your Google works - good for you. I'm glad you at least bothered.

I was pointing out the inaccuracy of this statement of yours:
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I, as a private citizen can sell you any gun I own, anywhere, anytime. No background check, no nothing.
(emphasis mine) which was just plain incorrect.
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Old 05-07-2010, 06:49 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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ll firearms sales including private and gun show sales, transfers or loans, must go through a California licensed firearms dealer. An application for sale or transfer must be made with a licensed California gun dealer before any firearm may be sold or transferred.
The purchaser must present the dealer with a valid California Driver's License or a California I.D. Card and supply their thumbprint. The purchaser of a handgun must also provide additional proof of California residence. The dealer sends a copy of the application to the Ca. Dept. of Justice and the local police chief.

The CA DOJ will conduct a background check on each buyer at a fee. There is a 10-day waiting period before delivery of any firearm. Dealers must keep a register of all firearm transfers.

Thats a state law, and I think a very reasonable one. I'd like to see the same thing nationalized.
An abomination is what that law is.
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Old 05-07-2010, 07:10 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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An abomination is what that law is.
Why?

Its up to each state to make its own laws. Are you a Californian?

Personally, I have no problem submitting to a background check, to buy a firearm.
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Old 05-07-2010, 07:11 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Your Google works - good for you. I'm glad you at least bothered.

I was pointing out the inaccuracy of this statement of yours:

(emphasis mine) which was just plain incorrect.
I didn't know that was California's law. However, you can simply cross the Nevada state border, and sell whatever firearm you want.
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Old 05-07-2010, 07:18 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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Why?

Its up to each state to make its own laws. Are you a Californian?

Personally, I have no problem submitting to a background check, to buy a firearm.
It created a burden on those exercising a right.

States don't have the right to infringe on the rights of the people.
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