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Boy I wish I was online to debate all the usual drawn out talking points in this thread over the last few days.
You all are still crying and fear-mongering!
No matter what Obama does OR how much this country improves YOU ALL (Conservatives, teabaggers, etc....) will still whine and cry about what DOOM lies ahead! LOL!
I haven't heard ANYONE in this thread say anything OUTSIDE of
1. Unemployment (which I have addressed already, the job gain under Obama is better than under Bush during the recession). The job market is improving.
Who can dispute that? Ignore the 9.7 unemployment rate and every other indicator on job is extremely positive.
2. The deficit
I am so sick of ppl crying about the deficit and/or how their kids and grandkids are going to be paying for it (through taxes)
***NEWSFLASH**** Your grandkids will be paying taxes regardless! What generation in America hasn't paid taxes? If America magically pays down the debt and stays in a surplus for the next 10 years.
GUESS WHAT? YOUR GRANDKIDS WILL STILL BE PAYING TAXES!
Matter of fact OUR GENERATION pays LESS TAXES (by percentage) than our parents and grandparents. EVEN THOUGH OUR NATION DEBT HAS GROWN AND GROWN. My point is the national debt have no relation to how much taxes our grandkids will pay.
They will be paying taxes whether America is $0 in debt or if America is $10 TRILLION in DEBT.
So stop the whining. PLEASE!
Also its ridiculous how TEA baggers spin things.
If Obama had taken the Hebert Hoover do-nothing approach (let the market work itself out) AND then AMERICA failed and got worse (A DEPRESSION).
Then you all would've hated Obama for letting America fail.
BUT when he instead takes an approach (that many economist insisted was necessary, Bailouts, government takeovers, etc....) You all still hate him for doing what it took to recover the economy.
I could understand the HATE IF THAT APPROACH FAILED!
BUT IT SUCCEEDED! America's economy has grown every quarter and has recovered quicker than anyone had imagined!
Instead of giving him credit Tea-baggers are now saying "oh well the economy recovered IN SPITE OF Obama"
LOL WHAT?
So What happened to the Economy NEVER RECOVERING like YOU TEA BAGGERS SAID WOULD HAPPEN under OBAMA?
Boy I wish I was online to debate all the usual drawn out talking points in this thread over the last few days.
You all are still crying and fear-mongering!
No matter what Obama does OR how much this country improves YOU ALL (Conservatives, teabaggers, etc....) will still whine and cry about what DOOM lies ahead! LOL!
I haven't heard ANYONE in this thread say anything OUTSIDE of
1. Unemployment (which I have addressed already, the job gain under Obama is better than under Bush during the recession). The job market is improving.
Who can dispute that? Ignore the 9.7 unemployment rate and every other indicator on job is extremely positive.
2. The deficit
I am so sick of ppl crying about the deficit and/or how their kids and grandkids are going to be paying for it (through taxes)
***NEWSFLASH**** Your grandkids will be paying taxes regardless! What generation in America hasn't paid taxes? If America magically pays down the debt and stays in a surplus for the next 10 years.
GUESS WHAT? YOUR GRANDKIDS WILL STILL BE PAYING TAXES!
Matter of fact OUR GENERATION pays LESS TAXES (by percentage) than our parents and grandparents. EVEN THOUGH OUR NATION DEBT HAS GROWN AND GROWN. My point is the national debt have no relation to how much taxes our grandkids will pay.
They will be paying taxes whether America is $0 in debt or if America is $10 TRILLION in DEBT.
So stop the whining. PLEASE!
Also its ridiculous how TEA baggers spin things.
If Obama had taken the Hebert Hoover do-nothing approach (let the market work itself out) AND then AMERICA failed and got worse (A DEPRESSION).
Then you all would've hated Obama for letting America fail.
BUT when he instead takes an approach (that many economist insisted was necessary, Bailouts, government takeovers, etc....) You all still hate him for doing what it took to recover the economy.
I could understand the HATE IF THAT APPROACH FAILED!
BUT IT SUCCEEDED! America's economy has grown every quarter and has recovered quicker than anyone had imagined!
Instead of giving him credit Tea-baggers are now saying "oh well the economy recovered IN SPITE OF Obama"
LOL WHAT?
So What happened to the Economy NEVER RECOVERING like YOU TEA BAGGERS SAID WOULD HAPPEN under OBAMA?
Simple question!
For speaking out on a rather touchy subject...but now you see what you've wrought...everyone that has a pair and stands in support of the President is automatically lumped in as a 'liberal-leftie-socialist-Marxist-Obamabot-sheep', when the truth is, those doing the labeling are just having a hissy-fit because their a**es aren't being kissed fast enough, and no one with a brain is buying into this bee-ess about them (as I've said here before LOL) pulling a magic wand out of their tightly-puckered tuckuses and SAVING US FROM OURSELVES!!! in 2010 and 2012...
The labeling is old...wrapping yourselves in the flag and thumbing your nose at anyone who doesn't kiss your supposedly 'real American' hind ends is REALLY getting old...everyone who stands with the president and dares to have an opinion counter to yours is not some sort of mindless drone, no matter how much you swell up your chests and stand behind Rush and Glen and Sarah and bellow 'BECAUSE WE SAID SO!!!'...you can take a hike with that junk, because you ain't sellin' it here, folks
I seriously want to ask all the Doom and Gloom folks (Republicans/Conservatives/TEA-Baggers) that were screaming last year (especially during the 2008 election and Obama's first 100 days) that Obama would cause the end of America!
Armageddon! Get out now! Obama will ruin America! The Depression is coming! The sky will fall! America will fail!
Ok? Why hasn't America failed under Obama as all you fear-mongers claimed would happen?
I don't care how much hate you have for Obama or how you try to spin things. America in May 2010 is in a helluva better position than it was in the End of 2007.
Admit it Fear-mongers! You all called for the end of the world if Obama was elected. America is still standing and getting better and better.
What the heck happened guys?
Now I'm not a liberal by a long shot nor have I completely agreed with everything Obama has done. But I do recognize that his leadership has done wonders for the country (something you all continue to ignore)
Obama's administration saved the country from an inevitable economic collapse!
Do you all even remember how bad things were in 2007???? We were in a RECESSION that was getting worse and WORSE. Everyone said America would undoubtedly enter into a DEPRESSION worse than the 1930s!
What happened? The recession was OVER in Obama's 1st year! America's economy (GDP) has grown every quarter since!
The Stock Market has recovered and hovering near 11,000 (after being in a free fall before Obama)
What about jobs? Yes unemployment is still high, but no intelligent reasonable individual would blame Obama for the surge of job losses (caused by 2007 recession and its aftermath). When Bush left office over half a MILLION jobs were being lost every single month. Now under Obama, America is actually GAINING jobs every month.
Where do you think Unemployment would be if Bush was still in office? Thats a rhetorical question because we all know it would be a whole lot worse.
There are so many areas I could point that has indicated that not only has Obama saved America from near collapse. He has managed to steer America into the Right direction.
Which is the exact opposite of what you Tea baggers said Obama would do!
Lets not get too much into canned tea bagging talking points (the deficit *hey you didn't care under BUSH why do you care NOW?*, heathcare, Banks and car company takeovers, etc...)
I am merely pointing out that you Tea Party (Conservative, Repubs) all cried about how the HOUSE would crumble and be destroyed under Obama.
Ignoring talking points when you all look up and STILL see the HOUSE (America) STANDING, improving, and getting better and better....
WHAT HAPPENED TO THE DESTRUCTION OF AMERICA????
Wasnt it R.Emanuel who said "Never let a good crisis go to waste"?
LOL Left is so screwed up!
Get off your butt and vote!!!!! We have to get rid of most of these Republicans. A wounded animal is a dangerous dangerous unpredictable thing. These guys are reaching for straws. They actually are going after the unemployed Americans. Republicans have stopped, slowed and are constantly talking about ending the unemployment benefits that keep so many families off the streets. I have been taking a look at these guys ...real time on C-Span. They are cold hearted and ruthless.
They bailed out Wall Street......Now they want to pull the plug on Main Street.
Vote the Republicans out of Office!
Psssst - you DO know that the Dems are in charge right now, right? The only guys "reaching" are the Dems that are reaching for power. The Republicans are wanting to stop unemployment so some people will actually go back to work and THERE'S NO MORE MONEY! The Dems are the cold-hearted and ruthless ones, pretending to be caring and "for the people", when in reality they don't give a crap. The "they" that bailed out Wall Street were the Dems, that are in power right now. All you lefties hate the Tea Partiers, but you forget that the movement picked up speed to protest the bailouts of the banks and Wall Street. As for Main Street - look around. The lights are already out for most of it, and the Dems could care less. As long as they stay in power, they'll continue to throw the American people under the bus.
But the mood is changing - we'll see you in November. It won't be the Republicans getting run out of office.
Boy I wish I was online to debate all the usual drawn out talking points in this thread over the last few days.
You all are still crying and fear-mongering!
No matter what Obama does OR how much this country improves YOU ALL (Conservatives, teabaggers, etc....) will still whine and cry about what DOOM lies ahead! LOL!
I haven't heard ANYONE in this thread say anything OUTSIDE of
1. Unemployment (which I have addressed already, the job gain under Obama is better than under Bush during the recession). The job market is improving.
Who can dispute that? Ignore the 9.7 unemployment rate and every other indicator on job is extremely positive.
2. The deficit
I am so sick of ppl crying about the deficit and/or how their kids and grandkids are going to be paying for it (through taxes)
***NEWSFLASH**** Your grandkids will be paying taxes regardless! What generation in America hasn't paid taxes? If America magically pays down the debt and stays in a surplus for the next 10 years.
GUESS WHAT? YOUR GRANDKIDS WILL STILL BE PAYING TAXES!
Matter of fact OUR GENERATION pays LESS TAXES (by percentage) than our parents and grandparents. EVEN THOUGH OUR NATION DEBT HAS GROWN AND GROWN. My point is the national debt have no relation to how much taxes our grandkids will pay.
They will be paying taxes whether America is $0 in debt or if America is $10 TRILLION in DEBT.
So stop the whining. PLEASE!
Also its ridiculous how TEA baggers spin things.
If Obama had taken the Hebert Hoover do-nothing approach (let the market work itself out) AND then AMERICA failed and got worse (A DEPRESSION).
Then you all would've hated Obama for letting America fail.
BUT when he instead takes an approach (that many economist insisted was necessary, Bailouts, government takeovers, etc....) You all still hate him for doing what it took to recover the economy.
I could understand the HATE IF THAT APPROACH FAILED!
BUT IT SUCCEEDED! America's economy has grown every quarter and has recovered quicker than anyone had imagined!
Instead of giving him credit Tea-baggers are now saying "oh well the economy recovered IN SPITE OF Obama"
LOL WHAT?
So What happened to the Economy NEVER RECOVERING like YOU TEA BAGGERS SAID WOULD HAPPEN under OBAMA?
Simple question!
1- Unemployment rate is 9.9% it is no longer 9.7%
2-Yes they would be paying taxes regardless but does that mean we have to keep increasing the amount they will have to pay?
3-Its really tough to comment on this one. I cant believe you said it to be honest
Once again wait till next year and lets talk when the taxes start
What tea party person said the economy would never recover? Prove that please
There is also many economist that says what Obama did is making matters worse also. So
2-Yes they would be paying taxes regardless but does that mean we have to keep increasing the amount they will have to pay?
3-Its really tough to comment on this one. I cant believe you said it to be honest
Once again wait till next year and lets talk when the taxes start
What tea party person said the economy would never recover? Prove that please
There is also many economist that says what Obama did is making matters worse also. So
1. Ok unemployment is at 9.9%, again how does that negate my point that EVERY OTHER JOB INDICATOR is EXTREMELY POSITIVE????
Obama has to be doing SOMETHING right!
As opposed to the tea baggers saying Obama's doing everything wrong AT THE SAME TIME NOT OFFERING any intelligence ideas. Broad often repeated talking points like fiscal responsibility, free market, and following the constitution doesn't count as ideas that will help America recover.
Example....
So tea baggers how do we get unemployment back down to under 7%?
Teabagger shouts "fiscal responsibility, free market, and following the constitution!!!!"
*Blank stare*
So tea bagger what can Obama do to get America out of a deepening Recession (caused by a housing and banking crisis), affecting all Americans.
Teabagger "fiscal responsibility, free market, and following the constitution!!!!"
*Blank Stare*
Umm ok care to be any more specific????
2. You missed my point Jadex, our kids and grandkids will not pay MORE taxes (by individual's percentages) relative to our country's debt. I've never seen that happen in modern America (by looking at the statistics)
Again to restate my point, America's debt over the last 40 years have increased SUBSTANTIALLY. We are trillions of dollars more in debt than our parents generation!
YET WE (OUR GENERATION) PAYS A MUCH LESS % OF OUR INCOME TO TAXES THAN OUR PARENTS/GRANDPARENTS DID....
Not only that a larger % of Americans DON'T PAY TAXES AT ALL (IN OUR GENERATION) than our parents/grandparents generation.
And that is all with a Nation Debt 100x more!
My point again is I get certain concerns over the Nation Debt (although I don't get why tea-baggers care so much now under Obama, but didn't give a care under Reagan and more recently GW Bush).
OUR NATIONAL DEBT HAS NO RELATION TO HOW MUCH OUR GRANDKIDS/KIDS WILL PAY IN TAXES!
It never has had a relation! thats my point
If anyone can prove otherwise, I'd love to hear it
3) Lastly I'd would have liked to read your rebuttal to me saying Tea-Baggers hate Obama when he has actually done alot of good.
I do not have to quote anyone specifically, I know what I read throughout this board, I know what I saw at the rallies (in late 2008 and 2009).
And I know what you all are saying now.
Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity and you tea baggers NEVER said "Hey Obama will do SOME good, America WILL RECOVER FASTER than we' would've imagined. America will NOT enter in a depression after Obama's elected. The stock market WILL recover and surge AND MANY OTHER ECONOMIC INDICATORS WILL BE POSITIVE UNDER OBAMA."
NOOOOOO!
You ALL NEVER SAID THAT! YOU all cried and cried about how Obama will RUIN and bring the DESTRUCTION OF AMERICA. You all WARNED that if Obama was elected, THAT UNDER HIS POLICIES AMERICA WILL NEVER RECOVER!
My question to YOU ALL is looking back (after obviously be WRONG!), WHEN WILL YOU ALL ADMIT that maybe Obama is the anti-American, destructive terrorist as you all had warned he's be????
1. Ok unemployment is at 9.9%, again how does that negate my point that EVERY OTHER JOB INDICATOR is EXTREMELY POSITIVE????
Obama has to be doing SOMETHING right!
As opposed to the tea baggers saying Obama's doing everything wrong AT THE SAME TIME NOT OFFERING any intelligence ideas. Broad often repeated talking points like fiscal responsibility, free market, and following the constitution doesn't count as ideas that will help America recover.
Example....
So tea baggers how do we get unemployment back down to under 7%.
Teabagger shouts "fiscal responsibility, free market, and following the constitution!!!!"
*Blank stare*
So tea bagger what can Obama do to get America out of a deepening Recession (caused by a housing and banking crisis), affecting all Americans.
Teabagger "fiscal responsibility, free market, and following the constitution"
*Blank Stare*
Umm ok care to be any more specific????
2. You missed my point Jadex, our kids and grandkids will not pay MORE taxes (by individual's percentages) relative to our country's debt. I've never seen that happen in modern America (by looking at the statistics)
Again to restate my point, America's debt over the last 40 years have increased SUBSTANTIALLY. We are trillions of dollars more in debt than our parents generation!
YET WE (OUR GENERATION) PAYS A MUCH LESS % OF OUR INCOME TO TAXES THAN OUR PARENTS/GRANDPARENTS DID....
Not only that a larger % of Americans DON'T PAY TAXES AT ALL (IN OUR GENERATION) than our parents/grandparents generation.
And that is all with a Nation Debt 100x more!
My point again is I get certain concerns over the Nation Debt (although I don't get why tea-baggers care so much now under Obama, but didn't give a care under Reagan and more recently GW Bush).
OUR NATIONAL DEBT HAS NO RELATION TO HOW MUCH HOW GRANDKIDS/KIDS WILL PAY IN TAXES!
It never has had a relation! thats my point
If anyone can prove otherwise, I'd love to hear it
3) Lastly I'd would have liked to read your rebuttal to me saying Tea-Baggers hate Obama when he has actually done alot of good.
I do not have to quote anyone specifically, I know what I read throughout this board, I know what I saw at the rallies (in late 2008 and 2009).
And I know what you all are saying now.
Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity and you tea baggers NEVER said "Hey Obama will do SOME good, America WILL RECOVER FASTER than we' would've imagined. America will NOT enter in a depression after Obama's elected. The stock market WILL recover and surge."
You ALL NEVER SAID THAT! YOU all cried and cried about how Obama will RUIN and bring the DESTRUCTION OF AMERICA. You all WARNED that if Obama was elected (and also after his election), THAT UNDER HIS POLICIES AMERICA WILL NEVER RECOVER!
My question to that looking back (you all were obviously wrong), WHEN WILL YOU ALL ADMIT that maybe Obama is the anti-American, destructive terrorist as you all had warned????
I am still waiting on you to tell me what unemployment was in 2007. Yes its great that unemployment has held at this high % for this long. Wonderful just wonderful.
Do you realize the amount of debt we are in? Do you not care? Did you care about the amount of debt we were in when Bush was president?
Ok you thinking the amount of taxes we will pay doesnt go hand in hand with the amount we will pay in taxes ends this convo because its pointless to continue. Remember we pay more taxes then just income taxes
You think we can have a 12 trillion dollar debt or a 125 trillion dollar in debt and you'll keep paying the same amount in taxes. Says all there is to say.
Good luck in life
I am still waiting on you to tell me what unemployment was in 2007. Yes its great that unemployment has held at this high % for this long. Wonderful just wonderful.
Do you realize the amount of debt we are in? Do you not care? Did you care about the amount of debt we were in when Bush was president?
Ok you thinking the amount of taxes we will pay doesnt go hand in hand with the amount we will pay in taxes ends this convo because its pointless to continue
You think we can have a 12 trillion dollar debt or a 125 trillion dollar in debt and you'll keep paying the same amount in taxes. Says all there is to say.
Good luck in life
I can easily answer that Jadex, in 2007 (before the Mortgage/Banking Crisis hit) unemployment was slightly under 5%.
When your boy GW BUSH left office it was at 8.5%.
Also the largest increase on the unemployment % (during this crisis) actually occurred during Bush's tenure.
Unemployment went from 5.2% in mid-2008 to 8.5% in December of 2008!
Thats a 3.2% INCREASE in 6 months!
Under Obama unemployment is up to 9.9% from 8.5%, which is a 1.4% increase!
WITH that information you all still say Obama is the problem????
Secondly in regards to my argument about the National Debt vs. our taxes (by percentage), like I said I'd be more than happy to be educated on how taxes will increase with the national debt.
Even though statistics show otherwise.
You took a stab then did not provide any information to back up your point.
I'm waiting to be educated on this point....
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