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Old 05-25-2010, 05:15 PM
 
Location: S.E. US
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Christmas trees do get put up on public property. Every Christmas. And children who get in trouble for bringing a Bible to read during their free time are almost always vindicated, because they are free to read the Bible on their own time. I would challenge any school that prohibits children from reading the Bible during their free periods. Schools can prohibit some reading material, pornography for example, but religious material is in fact protected.
Indeed, Christmas trees do get put up -- and in some places there are efforts to remove them, or rename them. And, yes, so far children bringing Bibles to school have been vindicated, because it is challenged, and rightly so. But there shouldn't even be the occasion for that to happen. My point was simple: things are changing and this thread has emphasized (for me) the contrast between then and now.
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Old 05-26-2010, 03:09 AM
 
Location: Mississippi
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"It has been said that a man's death is generally a copy of his life-. It was Washington's case exactly. In his last illness he behaved with the firmness of a soldier, and the resignation of a Christian."


The Life of George Washington
By Mason Locke Weems
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Old 05-26-2010, 03:16 AM
 
Location: Mississippi
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"Friend Potts then went home, and on entering his parlour called out to his wife, " Sarah ! my " dear Sarah! all's well! all's well! George Washington will yet prevail!"

" What's the matter, Isaac ?" replied she, " thee " seems moved."


" Well, if I seem moved, 'tis no more than what " I really am. I have this day seen what I never " expected.



Thee knows that I always thought that * the sword antl the gospel were utterly inconsistent; "



and that no man could be a soldier and a Christian " at the same time.


But George Washington has " this day convinced me of my mistake."
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Old 05-26-2010, 03:19 AM
 
Location: Mississippi
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Or all the dispositions and habits which lead to the prosperity of a nation," says Washington, " Religion is the indispensable support.
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Old 05-26-2010, 05:03 AM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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Or all the dispositions and habits which lead to the prosperity of a nation," says Washington, " Religion is the indispensable support.
Hinduism? Shintoism? Taoism? FLDS? LDS? Catholic? Other Christian? Paganism? Druid? Jewish?

Was he more specific?
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Old 05-26-2010, 05:30 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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I dont watch these things on TV, I read the transcripts. On the show Im referring to, the transcript of which I read and posted a link to in this thread, a Dr Lillebeck was hawking his book The Sacred Fire. Not The Real George Washington. This is from last week. The book you're talking about must be from some other time. And Im sure you're not accusing me of lying, so I'll ask you to read the transcript and see for yourself: they said nothing remotely about the book other than what a great promoter Glenn Beck is.
I don't need to read the transcript, Anne, because I watch the show every night, and they have been discussing both books, and who George Washington really was (he was not the person that the rewriters of history want you to believe he was).

The writers have gone to original sources; George Washington's own writings and the writings of those who knew him. They leave little doubt about who Washington was and what he believed.
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Old 05-26-2010, 06:19 AM
 
Location: S.E. US
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Hinduism? Shintoism? Taoism? FLDS? LDS? Catholic? Other Christian? Paganism? Druid? Jewish?

Was he more specific?
Some things are obvious.
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Old 05-26-2010, 07:21 AM
 
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Was he on the battlefield?
Had he just come from one?
Was he on his way to one?
Do you really think he was acknowledging beauty and wonder?
Much more likely that he was asking for help.
Possibly, but it still doesn't matter in 2010.
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Old 05-26-2010, 07:36 AM
 
Location: South Portland, Maine
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The founders lived in the 18th century - dark ages relative to today. Who cares to what degree they lived under which religion's tyranny?

Our country and our future is what we make it in the 21st century.
You have a very limited world view if you think that all history prior to your own is irrelevent and dark!

We are not so sophisticated as you may think.. Many of todays problems have been repeated throughout history.. Much of the progresive political mantra of today is similair to what took place in other countries in other times.. along with the apathy displayed that attributed to the attrocities of WWII...

yes we have technology, but we are no more socially progressed then during much of the history of the world!
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Old 05-26-2010, 07:50 AM
 
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Washington said. "After I am dead." "Do not place me in the vault for 3 days." "Do you understand"

No explanation was needed. Christ rose after 3 days. This has nothing to do with Victorian bells in the mid 19th century.

Washington was and is a Christian. He believed in Christ and the Resurrection. On his deathbed he demanded his dead body not be placed in the vault for 3 days.

Stop beating a dead horse.
This is just your opinion. Not facts. Do you understand the difference? You don't know what Washington was thinking. You didn't know George Washington. I'm glad that you are so interested that you've put together a theory, and I'm happy for you that your theory just so happens to fit so well with your personal needs to have historic figures conform to the identity you've crafted for them.

Personally, I don't need to craft identities for historic figures. I love to do research on them, and learn from them, but I don't have a need to build on history, to attach characteristics to them which they may or may not have possessed, but which the historical record does not conclusively demonstrate.

It's not a dead horse. It's historical veracity.

Washington was a gentleman, in a time when gentlemen reserved the right to keep certain personal matter private. It is clear that he felt religion to be such a matter, and so he went to lengths to keep his religious persuasions privy. And he did so tactfully and politely. That deserves some respect. I respect it. Can you?
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