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All you have to do is look at movies, music videos and if nothing else watch a Miley Cyrus video. Sex is all young people are seeing unless the parents step up and monitor what their kids are exposed to.
Then doing porn should make a person super popular and successful. Yet some girl just committed suicide after she made a porn video and was picked on because of it.
If having sex is the be-all for kids, they wouldn't still be calling each other sl**s.
It's a big overrated lie, and it's all smoke and mirrors from the entertainment world. There are plenty of decent kids who don't go to bracelet parties and at least wait until they are in a relationship.
Whats-is-name was too creepy for any kind of relationship or to attract any girl, even if he wanted to and he really didn't it seems. He just wanted people to worship him in all his fabulousness.
It's not a marketplace, and no matter what feminists say, actual sex isn't a commodity except in prostitution. The images and innuendoes of sex that are used to sell commodities are not actual sex in trade. Except for the crassest of people, that uncanny factor known as "chemistry" is more important in choosing sexual partners than money or some other commodified benefit.
-- There's a hidden element of Marxist materialism in your approach. It was Marx who most effectively popularized the idea that human persons should be viewed as objects of scientific observation. Scientific method works great for enhancing human manipulation of the world, but it objectifies, quantifies, aggregates, averages, and stereotypes what it observes. Freedom, creativity, spontaneity, and dignity don't survive that methodology. To paraphrase Heisenberg, it's not reality that science observes, but reality rendered in ways that permit us to manipulate it.
-- Marx is known as the father of the social sciences, and the more they come to dominate conventional wisdom, the more that conventional wisdom views human affairs through the lens of animal husbandry. It's that perspective that leads to the notion that freedom is an illusion and that mind is an illusion.
-- The social sciences also efface the role of objectifiers, quantifiers, etc, vis-a-vis the people who are the objectified, quantified, etc. Social science theorists and implementers of theory exercise the very freedom and creativity that they deny in their objects. The result is not only a error in their descriptions of human persons, but also a kind of elitism in denial. There are both epistemological and moral errors in this approach.
-- When you talk about a sexual marketplace in such credulous terms, you invoke all of this baggage, and the epistemological and moral errors.
I hate articles like that, they make it sound like every virgin out there is some kind of covert killer when that's not the case.
It staggers me to imagine the numbers of virgins of both sexes from any demography who are possible time bombs.
Why do black young men seemingly not have a problem with this? Are white kids so repressed by society they feel they have no way to express their angst other than such violence? Do they feel reduced to such?
It's really crazy when the anti-gun group tries to demonize a firearm for this behavior. He could have set a crowded sorority house on fire in the middle of the night and killed a lot of people. Who needs firearms when other means of killing others exist?
"Aspiring model" and the type of poses and inane comments I saw on her YouTube page. Someone can look at her Facebook page; it's probably similar there. Elliot Rodger called her out as nasty to him when they were teens - there's no reason to think he made that up, and sadly most people don't change much (for example, narcissism just manifests more with more subtlety among the married with kids). In terms of the killing spree, the problem wasn't just him - it was the stupidity and insensitivity of many individuals and entities. Much of what's wrong in the modern world is involved in this case, and that is why it is a huge topic.
"there's no reason to think he made that up"--are you kidding? Seriously? There's no reason to think the psychotic who butchered six young people might lie or have a skewed view of things?
Shame on you for dragging this young woman into this discussion and implicitly blaming her. That is a terrible thing to do, and CD should delete that post.
Some of the posters here are crazy. Women are not public resources, we have agency, and we do not owe it to anyone to date or socially interact with someone we don't like. Period. God, it's bad enough when the creeps on the street think we owe it to them to smile and acknowledge them, now we have to deal with the expectations of self-proclaimed Nice Guys? "Hypergamy"? Rating women with numbers? Who comes up with this nonsense? The stench of self-pity is overwhelming--if you want to know why you're not as successful as you'd like with women, there's your answer. Pity is a libido-killer.
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I wish he hadn't killed people. If he'd done everything the same but merely stormed and terrorized a sorority and maybe offed himself at the end, it would still be a huge story and the social implications would be easier to discuss. It's too easy to dismiss murderers.
This is an absolutely appalling comment, as are the vague hints that "unless something changes" another freak like this will go on another rampage. To repeat--women are not public resources. We don't owe you anything--not kindness, not friendliness, nothing. (Especially when smiling back at a strange man is likely to get you followed or hit on.) If female companionship is so important to you, you need to find an appropriate way to connect--not make vague hints that unless women are nicer to shy men, they'll snap. This loser just made it MUCH less likely that women will "take pity" because now we're all disgusted and horrified.
We don't owe you anything--not kindness, not friendliness, nothing.
But we, of course, owe you all manner of things. Believe it or not, that's a two way street. Maybe remember that when you're reacting with horror and umbrage at the notion that you have any obligations to anything greater than yourself and your genital impulses.
I'm not pitying myself. I'm also not blaming that woman (just like seeing that ilk get negative attention), but he has no known history of completely falsifying stories and her behavior couldn't have helped. Heaven forbid women realize that collectively their behavior has consequences. As far as I'm concerned, it's a matter of fact that here and there a few other males will act similarly (echoing the school shooting trend), and many young men already are headed to terrible lives because of how society disdains them. I'm not actually in favor of any that. By the way, when "loser" males resort to trying to hit on rightly skeptical female strangers, usually that means they've already long been ostracized. Instead of getting mad at me and anyone else who believes what I do, how about you tell us how society can be more fair?
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1. First I'd want to say that this man was mentally ill. Mentally Ill. MENTALLY ILL.
No, this doesn't excuse his actions, but it should explain that his delusions toward women didn't really mean anything. He could have easily been ticked off at the government, Walmart, or anything else for that matter.
I can understand women, in this case, wanting to use this as a cause to rally behind, but I think it's misguided.
One look at the video this guy released and I could tell within the first 30 seconds that there was something off about him; most likely Autistic.
2. Even though they are in the media a lot, shootings like these are rare. Perhaps they may be increasing, but they still pale in the numbers of minority crime.
3. Which leads me to my next point: I believe that there are many more mentally ill, minorities, poor whites and others who cope by killing each other and are locked up at an early age.
4. I would argue that those who are a minority and mentally ill; join gangs, and have a more directed anger and not a vague/delayed sense of anger at the world that the certain white mass shooters/killers do.
5. Ironically since middle class, white men usually have a more stable upbringing, this retards and/or bottles up the hate/fixation, by perhaps getting bailed out more times, going to therapy, etc.
In any case, race, gender, sex aside, the main point should be how do we treat the mentally ill (and make diagnosis and treatment equitable) and if some do snap, how do we minimize the damage.
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I personally was a virgin until my early 20's. I don't relate to this guy at all however. I waited, primarily because I was scared. Scared of getting someone pregnant, scared of committing. Looking back, I had plenty of chances but I never really blamed anybody.
The truth is, if you want it there's ways to get it. There is someone for everyone. In fact there are multiple someones for everyone. And it boils down to a connection. Not solely looks, not solely a certain level of physical attraction; a spark.
Unfortunately this guy and other people with certain levels of Autism, can't make a connection or have very difficult times connecting with other human beings. He didn't have that spark, and he understood this and fixated on it. Although there may have been an ironic part of him that fixated on this so much that he didn't even know what he wanted.
He doesn't represent anything except for a mentally ill person. He doesn't represent misogyny, or a certain type of man; he just doesn't.
Yes there are women haters and those who abuse women, but that's a different discussion entirely. And IMO it's doing a disservice to both causes to lump them together.
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To sum it all up, I think that this has less to do with society and/or women and more to do with mental illness. And that's what the focus should be on. Equitable care for all.
I wish he hadn't killed people. If he'd done everything the same but merely stormed and terrorized a sorority and maybe offed himself at the end, it would still be a huge story and the social implications would be easier to discuss. It's too easy to dismiss murderers.
Those who are social rejects always pose a danger to society, escpecially in an age where morality has been discarded. In an age where self centered narcissistic behavior is common, those who are denied what they want (social acceptance, success in the dating world) are more likely to become dangerous than they were in the past when more ridged value systems grounded them. Men in general have far more violent impulses, so this really only applies to men. When you think about how many people are considered social misfits, it should make us question how we treat people in general. This happens mostly with young people, but even adults do this. There are many people in this world that no one wants anything to do with, and even who get treated in a cruel fashion well into adulthood. Why do we do this to others???? I guess it makes people feel better about themselves to mistreat other human beings for being socially awkward, or less successful or whatever the issue is. Im not justifying these people who become killers, there is no justification for that kind of rampage. Usually these nutcases end up killing people they did not know who had nothing to do with their grievences. All those people did was be at the wrong place at the wrong time, and be part of a group which the killer despised and hated. I wonder though when people started treating this young man poorly???? I bet it was when he was in elementary school, and it got worse as he got older. It took years to build up the kind of hate that kid had. Even the therapy did nothing, once he embraced hate and evil it was likely too late. It should make us all think though about how we treat others. Are we creating the next one???? Treat others with respect, even if they are odd as can be.
I'm not pitying myself. I'm also not blaming that woman (just like seeing that ilk get negative attention), but he has no known history of completely falsifying stories and her behavior couldn't have helped. Heaven forbid women realize that collectively their behavior has consequences. As far as I'm concerned, it's a matter of fact that here and there a few other males will act similarly (echoing the school shooting trend), and many young men already are headed to terrible lives because of how society disdains them. I'm not actually in favor of any that. By the way, when "loser" males resort to trying to hit on rightly skeptical female strangers, usually that means they've already long been ostracized. Instead of getting mad at me and anyone else who believes what I do, how about you tell us how society can be more fair?
Your post isn't directed to me, but I would like to respond to it. You ask how society can be more fair, and I can list one thing that I've seen over and over in these threads concerning this shooting. You mention how women need to realize how our "collective' behavior has consequences. I've posted on my experiences with rejection and lack of dates in my younger years and have seen other women posting of their same experiences. Once when I was in my early 20s I was walking down the street when two men coming towards me started making animal noises and remarked to one another how ugly I was. I'm not ugly. I'm not a "hot babe" or a "10" if using numbers is the only way to relate on these issues. I'm ordinary looking like most people are. I just happened to be walking down this street when two angry men were determined to unload on the next woman they passed. What I DIDN'T do was put ALL men in this jerk category. What I'm seeing in so many posts is all women being thought of as the same. There seems to be a firmly held belief that ALL women are dating while men have to struggle for it. If you want a more fair society then men need to stop thinking women never suffer any rejection. It simply isn't true.
Your post isn't directed to me, but I would like to respond to it. You ask how society can be more fair, and I can list one thing that I've seen over and over in these threads concerning this shooting. You mention how women need to realize how our "collective' behavior has consequences. I've posted on my experiences with rejection and lack of dates in my younger years and have seen other women posting of their same experiences. Once when I was in my early 20s I was walking down the street when two men coming towards me started making animal noises and remarked to one another how ugly I was. I'm not ugly. I'm not a "hot babe" or a "10" if using numbers is the only way to relate on these issues. I'm ordinary looking like most people are. I just happened to be walking down this street when two angry men were determined to unload on the next woman they passed. What I DIDN'T do was put ALL men in this jerk category. What I'm seeing in so many posts is all women being thought of as the same. There seems to be a firmly held belief that ALL women are dating while men have to struggle for it. If you want a more fair society then men need to stop thinking women never suffer any rejection. It simply isn't true.
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If I thought for one second that all women were dating while I sat home dateless in my youth, I would have felt worse than I did. I knew that I wasn't alone.
Logically, if all women are dating, why are there women on dating websites? Why would women need them?
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