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I have heard and seen videos regarding that octopus are very intelligent, and part of the reason for their high level of intelligence is that they abandoned their outside skeleton (shell) and had to come up with ways, in a highly advanced nervous system with no backbone, to avoid predators feasting on their soft bodies. They also seem to be able to plan escapes and break into things, like glass bottles, and even to play for their own entertainment.
I don't know if that includes squid too.
At any rate, in this connection, I do read that though all bivalve crustaceans lack actual brains in the mammalian sense, they do have a nervous system that is controlled by three paired ganglia located at various points throughout their anatomy, the cerebral or cerebropleural ganglia, the pedal ganglia, and the visceral or parietovisceral ganglia.
Just sayin'.
Yeah...I actually feel uncomfortable with the idea of eating octopus, beyond my general distaste of seafood. They have way too fascinating an intellect.
What I cannot reconcile that with though, is my ability to consume pork/bacon/ham when I know damn well that pigs are very intelligent, too. And I'm not a fan of dolphins (no desire to eat them, just not a favorite creature of mine) despite knowing how smart they are. Why? No idea.
But there is just something about the octopus...
And yes, I've seen the documentary, "My Octopus Teacher" on Netflix and quite enjoyed it.
I have heard and seen videos regarding that octopus are very intelligent, and part of the reason for their high level of intelligence is that they abandoned their outside skeleton (shell) and had to come up with ways, in a highly advanced nervous system with no backbone, to avoid predators feasting on their soft bodies. They also seem to be able to plan escapes and break into things, like glass bottles, and even to play for their own entertainment.
I don't know if that includes squid too.
At any rate, in this connection, I do read that though all bivalve crustaceans lack actual brains in the mammalian sense, they do have a nervous system that is controlled by three paired ganglia located at various points throughout their anatomy, the cerebral or cerebropleural ganglia, the pedal ganglia, and the visceral or parietovisceral ganglia.
Just sayin'.
I won't eat octopi either - they have a distributed brain comprised of multiple ganglia. But squid are not in the same league intellectually as octopi. I seriously doubt shellfish and squid are conscious in a mammalian or avian sense, or have an emotional life in any meaningful sense. I draw the line at reptiles - for me, anything below that level of organization is fair game. So I'd eat frog legs but not an iguana steak.
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What I cannot reconcile that with though, is my ability to consume pork/bacon/ham when I know damn well that pigs are very intelligent, too.
I do like me some bacon from time to time -- sorry, piggies. With breakfast, I like the Morningside Farms fake bacon as an alternative - and some of the vegan sausages are pretty good.
It depends on the vegan. Ethical vegans are fanatics because they anthropomorphize the food chain and over value crop animals. They seek to proselytize and force others to eat as they do. They also violate private property rights and attempt to illegitimately stop activities like whaling, bear hunting, what-have-you.
Some people just have a fanatic mindset when it comes to food. Vegan and low-carb regimes (at the extreme opposite ends of the food choice spectrum) seem to attract the most vocal food advocates.
But I think most people eat what they think either does the best for their bodies or tastes best, and don't lecture others about their choices.
I won't eat octopi either - they have a distributed brain comprised of multiple ganglia. But squid are not in the same league intellectually as octopi. I seriously doubt shellfish and squid are conscious in a mammalian or avian sense, or have an emotional life in any meaningful sense. I draw the line at reptiles - for me, anything below that level of organization is fair game. So I'd eat frog legs but not an iguana steak.
I do like me some bacon from time to time -- sorry, piggies. With breakfast, I like the Morningside Farms fake bacon as an alternative - and some of the vegan sausages are pretty good.
Their corn dogs taste just like the real thing! I buy them because they're only 150 calories and lower fat, versus regular corn dogs with 2 days saturated fat and twice the calories.
Not the handful I know. They’re all highly intelligent and are moderate in habits/lifestyle.
I agree. I worked with a woman who was vegan, and one who was Keto in the same office. It was a pain when we had group pot lucks to think of something to bring they could eat, but they didn't complain if there wasn't, in fact they usually brought a dish they as well as others could eat. They didn't lecture or anything. Both ate that way because they each believed it was healthier.
Their corn dogs taste just like the real thing! I buy them because they're only 150 calories and lower fat, versus regular corn dogs with 2 days saturated fat and twice the calories.
Haven't tried the corn dogs - adding them to my shopping list!
Vegans do make a mess of celebrations. I do think vegan etiquette should automatically include that vegans always bring all their food to celebrations. It’s blatantly rude to expect the host of a celebration to cater to your personal culinary style.
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