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Old 03-17-2022, 10:02 AM
 
Location: Central IL
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So you're still depressed...despite swearing by antidepressants? Confused.
Yeah - like a diabetic on insulin - they are still diabetic...right?

I still have the condition even though I'm not currently suicidal.

But I don't think you're really just obtuse.
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Old 03-17-2022, 10:38 AM
 
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I always hear about this, but don't know how to acquire the medication.
Look online.

In areas where they are decriminalized, you can grow them yourself, I have read.

There is a storefront in Oakland, California that evidently sells them.
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Old 03-17-2022, 10:39 AM
 
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Yeah - like a diabetic on insulin - they are still diabetic...right?

I still have the condition even though I'm not currently suicidal.

But I don't think you're really just obtuse.
The logic here is lacking.
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Old 03-17-2022, 10:49 AM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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Is this just a 'personality type' where one can expect to struggle throughout their entire life?

As long as I've been an adult, I have felt some sense of worthlessness and at least a level of depression. Currently, the sense of depression is stronger; other times it wanes a bit but it's still there.

I still go forward with being productive, managing my personal life...but this constant struggle seems neverending and it makes the future seem bleak. I am currently in therapy, but that has sort of "faded into the background" of things I do - not sure if I need something else to pull me out of this.

Any advice from people feelign the same way is greatly appreciated. I could use any insight.
NO!
That is my insight. I did feel defeated for many, many years until it finally got so bad that I sought out a doctor who referred me to a psychiatrist.
The psychiatrist interviewed me for 30 minutes, prescribed the proper medication and that was the end of that. He followed up 2 weeks later but did not see the need for therapy or further followup. His diagnoses was "clinical depression" which had nothing at all to do with my upbringing, which was horrendous.

He prescribed Effexor, which I took from '97 til '05, when I slowly weaned myself off it. Haven't had a depressive episode since.



My take on the whole depression thing is that you cannot fight it alone. Medication is usually necessary in order to clear your head so that you can put the things that have happened to you in proper perspective. Therapy is useless, IMO, without medication.
I was 52 when I finally sought help. I should have done it many years before then.
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Old 03-17-2022, 12:18 PM
 
Location: SoCal again
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So you're still depressed...despite swearing by antidepressants? Confused.
Oh, you have no idea. Which is awesome if you don't have to deal with it. I don't either but everyone around me. Socal is the pill state, everyone is depressed or anxious.

People who go to counseling aren't necessarily cured or curable or even better people. They are just aware that they need help.
People who are on depression medicine are usually still not happy individuals. From what I have seen, they are less suicidal, less crying, less anxiety attacks, less pessimistic - but still not "normal" and happy. Just "less miserable" than before and their feelings and thoughts are numbed down a bit. Some are in a constant state of brain fog from pills because if they aren't, they would not be able to get up in the mornings out of fear from life.

Pills don't make you believe the world is a great place. They just numb you down to not constantly freak out about how bad the world is.

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Old 03-17-2022, 01:44 PM
 
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Oh, you have no idea. Which is awesome if you don't have to deal with it. I don't either but everyone around me. Socal is the pill state, everyone is depressed or anxious.

People who go to counseling aren't necessarily cured or curable or even better people. They are just aware that they need help.
People who are on depression medicine are usually still not happy individuals. From what I have seen, they are less suicidal, less crying, less anxiety attacks, less pessimistic - but still not "normal" and happy. Just "less miserable" than before and their feelings and thoughts are numbed down a bit. Some are in a constant state of brain fog from pills because if they aren't, they would not be able to get up in the mornings out of fear from life.

Pills don't make you believe the world is a great place. They just numb you down to not constantly freak out about how bad the world is.
Well said, and my experience exactly with the depression meds. I'm off them and doing psilocybin instead.
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Old 03-17-2022, 02:00 PM
 
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Yeah - like a diabetic on insulin - they are still diabetic...right?

I still have the condition even though I'm not currently suicidal.

But I don't think you're really just obtuse.
A diabetic on insulin has CONTROLLED diabetes. If you still feel depressed (as you said), then your medication is not controlling your depression. Logic is hard!
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Old 03-17-2022, 02:07 PM
 
Location: SoCal again
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A diabetic on insulin has CONTROLLED diabetes. If you still feel depressed (as you said), then your medication is not controlling your depression. Logic is hard!
It IS controlling the depression because they are less suicidal and are able to function enough to get out of bed and keep a job.
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Old 03-17-2022, 02:13 PM
 
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It IS controlling the depression because they are less suicidal and are able to function enough to get out of bed and keep a job.
But still feeling depressed, according to her own post, so I would say it's partially controlled. With insulin-controlled diabetes, you're not always partially in a diabetic coma, so the analogy doesn't hold up.
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Old 03-17-2022, 02:23 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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Oh, you have no idea. Which is awesome if you don't have to deal with it. I don't either but everyone around me. Socal is the pill state, everyone is depressed or anxious.

People who go to counseling aren't necessarily cured or curable or even better people. They are just aware that they need help.
People who are on depression medicine are usually still not happy individuals. From what I have seen, they are less suicidal, less crying, less anxiety attacks, less pessimistic - but still not "normal" and happy. Just "less miserable" than before and their feelings and thoughts are numbed down a bit. Some are in a constant state of brain fog from pills because if they aren't, they would not be able to get up in the mornings out of fear from life.

Pills don't make you believe the world is a great place. They just numb you down to not constantly freak out about how bad the world is.
I'm sure you mean well, and a great many people feel as you do but you are wrong, wrong, wrong.
Pills do not "numb you down", and those who believe they do, while in the majority, are poorly informed. Alcohol numbs you down. Users of the proper medication are not numb.

I was not "numb" when I took medication. What I was, was able to think clearly long enough (about 8 years) to get my feet under me, get enough sleep, make good decisions and actually form relationships with the people around me. Later, after years of thinking clearly, I was able to do without medication.

Your post is unhelpful in that the underlying message is, "pills are a temporary crutch used by weak people who cannot deal with the world".
You don't know a single thing about depression medication.
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