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Old 07-31-2011, 11:44 AM
 
Location: Mammoth Lakes, CA
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The main reason is that decent men usually look for decent women as their GF or eventual spouse. A decent man is not out for just a one-night stand, they want a relationship with someone they have something in common with, someone they can connect with and talk to. A decent man usually makes good money, is educated and has a completely different mindset than some other type of guy who is fat, smokes, hangs out in the bowling alley and is addicted to porn.

Quite a few women are flighty, stupid, golddigging and only want to marry to sit on their ass at home doing nothing. If they think they are going to attract or keep a "decent man," they're dreaming.
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Old 07-31-2011, 11:48 AM
 
Location: Mammoth Lakes, CA
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I find it hilarious that men on this thread are bragging about Russian women! I guess they're too obtuse to know that men who going over to Russia are basically buying a paid *****. The women marry some fat old American man they couldn't care a damn about in order to get out of Russia. If these guys are so dense they think these Russian broads really 'love' them, they are beyond redemption.

A simple trade-off. The moment these women get to America, they start searching for a thinner, handsomer, younger American man to have sex with. But she's got her green card, voila!
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Old 07-31-2011, 12:07 PM
 
Location: Central Florida
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I have attended a Russian/Ukrainian Evangelical church for a while. My neighbor was Ukrainian and became a good friend of mine. I will say I am not the greatest fan of Russian, Polish or Ukrainian women as I think they are more Westernized than Asian women. However, you cannot generalize millions of Russian women as being the same, gold diggers, escapees of the Kremlin, etc. I have seen a few Russian women who are divas, who want to pretend to be Americans or Western EUropean, dress in expensive clothes, live a selfish lifestyle and dominate a man and expect him to buy her everything she wants. Generally, these type of women are the minority and they look for the gullible types of men who will be their victims.

I will say most Russian/Ukrainian/Polish women are more feminine, compassionate and family-oriented. An Eastern European girl won't condemn you if you show your emotions and be a human, like an American woman will. American women are always expecting the men to behave in a stoic manner. But, as in all poor places, you have your rotten apples. However, if you really spend time with the people and try to be apart of the culture, rather then just pick a bride and run, I think you will find a much better wife in Russia or Eastern Europe than you will in the USA. Eastern European women don't have the high and unrealistic expectations on their men that American women do. They grew up with less toys and less pampered and have had to struggle day to day. Many are content with finding a loving man who will work hard and help support the family.

With that being said, I would probably go more Eastern when I find a wife, because I don't feel compatible with European culture. That is not to say it is bad, it just isn't really for me. Also, if short guys want to feel taller in a relationship, Russian/Eastern EUropean girls are quite tall. Asian girls, especially Filipinas are shorter. I, myself, don't care, and would be perfectly happy with a woman even 6 in taller then me as a wife. Eastern European women are not so height sensitive or superficial either, like American women. I have seen tall 6+ Maria Sharapovas with their 5ft 7in Vladmirs.

My advice to men who are dissatisfied with the dating scene in the West, either shutup and accept some rejection or Go East!

Spasiba
I found this post interesting as of course, most of us are stereotyping nationalities in a way, but too, colored by our own personal observations. And I stand by my observations in the most Eastern European women are wanting American men in order to get out of their countries. If not, then why doesn't the man stay in Russia and have the woman work until he gets a card to do so there?

And what I bolded I had to smile at, for Serbian men tell me the opposite and that they find me, as an American, more warm and non-judgmental than their women as they expect them to have the "macho Serbian male" attitude that shows no emotion except maybe jealousy. And this is where I think stereotyping does not work and we have to look at individuals.
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Old 07-31-2011, 12:19 PM
 
Location: Orange county, CA
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I hucked the dating list out the window three years ago, when I discovered that my crush couldn't even pass the list, and at the time I thought he was Mr. Right.

Here are the last three men I've put up with, crushed on and/or "dated":

-a 31 year old self-described "Chicano" who is as white as I am, who has no hair and a pot gut. Ran from his last job due to homesickness; not currently working and not drawing unemployment. Decided that because I don't look like Megan Fox that I am unworthy.

-a 27 year old sales associate from Macy's who most of my friends as well as my parents and brother were convinced was gay. Said man works full-time for not much more than minimum wage. Lacks any drive to do anything with himself. Whines that women don't like him. Was rude and blew me off when I wanted to talk to him. Said man insists that he is not gay. While this guy claims he wants a wife and children, he's not willing to try to get a job that will provide him with enough money to support his family, and he is considering finding his LDS faith again (not realizing that by not having any ambition, he is a turn off to the typical Mormon woman, and women in general).

-a 35 year old man who could not be bothered to tell me that he had a long-term girlfriend. Said 35 year old took me on at least two dates before confessing to my father, of all people, that he had a girlfriend. Said man claims that he is unhappy in his relationship because the woman he is dating won't marry him, won't shack up and does not want children, and he wants marriage and children. Said man decided to put up with said woman because in the event that his dating me did not work out, he would have to date again.

I don't have a tonnage of standards, personally. I hucked them out when I was 25. I'm not a dog, I work out regularly, I even watch sports and dress nicely. Yet I cannot find a man. I get checked out a lot, but never asked out or anything.

Many of my friends of both genders date losers or people who don't consider their wants and dreams at all. The 31 year old guy's last girlfriend was an old coworker of mine; he never once considered her dreams and ambitions; he expected her to drop out of graduate school and relocate to California, where she doesn't know anyone, and he wanted to shack up for years first. When I talked to him, I was appalled at how he treated her...he never knew much about her, and he'd been dating her longer than I'd known her.

My brother has two male friends who settled for loser women (my brother claims this is because the loser women "put out") both of them married the loser women. The older one's wife cheated on him; he divorced her. Last year that wife had the nerve to call him to claim that she was being abused by her new loser boyfriend; he drove several hours to get to her and save her from the boyfriend; she called the cops on the boyfriend and her ex; when the cops jailed them she only paid the bail for the man who had been beating her. The other guy married a woman who was a friend of mine but is a friend no more--I'd classify her more as manipulative than a loser; she never once listened to his dreams or desires, and put him down all the time. Finally he grew a spine and said enough and went to follow his dreams without her--they got a divorce.

I've lost track of the female friends who put up with losers. Christian friends who married the perfect Christian guy who won't give one iota on the housework and puts them down all the time; the typical loser who can't keep a job and gets fired all the time; losers who party and get drunk and beat women; losers with zero ambition; the female friend who is dating a man because of his looks and is too naive to realize she is being played...need I go on?

I've seen both sexes put up with all sorts of bad, and I think that I partly am so single because I won't settle for a true loser--I expect a guy to have a job or at least be trying to get one; to have some sort of personal hygiene (deodorant is NOT optional); and to have some sort of ambition. I'd also love a sense of humor.

My brother has all sorts of scary friends he won't let me date. They range from men who have no spine at all to men who think deodorant is optional. Its pretty bad when my BROTHER is telling me his friends are so bad that I am not allowed to date any of them!

I agree that it goes both ways but I also think there is some legitimacy to the complaints of both sexes about absurd standards and losers.
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Old 07-31-2011, 12:39 PM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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I agree that men should go where ever they think they could find a woman who would make him happy; but I say this with a caveat: Be careful. BUt as far as the bolded part, you know this how?????? Have you ever been there? Talked to any Russian/Eastern European women?? Just wondering.
I'm not interested in Russian women. I knew 3 Russian women in college and a few Eastern Europeans in college as well.

I prefer asian, european and latin american women outside of America.

I have spoken to guys who have dated in Russia and they said Russian women don't have the anti-male mentality so prevalent in America and are exponentially more approachable than American women.

Saying that, you still have to do your homework if you want to go to Russia and date the women over there. You can't just go over there thinking it will be perfect if you don't do your research before going to Russia.

I wouldn't advise any black, latino or asian male to go to Russia to date because of the skin heads.
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Old 07-31-2011, 03:18 PM
 
Location: Armsanta Sorad
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I'm not interested in Russian women. I knew 3 Russian women in college and a few Eastern Europeans in college as well.

I prefer asian, european and latin american women outside of America.

I have spoken to guys who have dated in Russia and they said Russian women don't have the anti-male mentality so prevalent in America and are exponentially more approachable than American women.

Saying that, you still have to do your homework if you want to go to Russia and date the women over there. You can't just go over there thinking it will be perfect if you don't do your research before going to Russia.

I wouldn't advise any black, latino or asian male to go to Russia to date because of the skin heads.
What are some countries black men could go to meet decent women?
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Old 07-31-2011, 03:18 PM
 
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I'm not interested in Russian women. I knew 3 Russian women in college and a few Eastern Europeans in college as well.

I prefer asian, european and latin american women outside of America.

I have spoken to guys who have dated in Russia and they said Russian women don't have the anti-male mentality so prevalent in America and are exponentially more approachable than American women.

Saying that, you still have to do your homework if you want to go to Russia and date the women over there. You can't just go over there thinking it will be perfect if you don't do your research before going to Russia.

I wouldn't advise any black, latino or asian male to go to Russia to date because of the skin heads.
By the way, still about the Russian mentality. It is important to change your frame of mind when dealing with Russian girls. The most notoriously ineffective tactic with FSU women is "Mr Nice Guy".

Of course, concepts like respect, charm, empathy, witt, humour, intelligence, sensitivity, etc, come to mind when dealing with them, but you have to add the "local" aspects that the Russian female likes and respects, which is being direct, manly, uncompromising, mischevious and even bad sometimes. Of course, you still can have a wonderful time with a Russian woman even you don't behave like a (nice) brute, but she will never really respect you if you don't. That is why Russian women are much more attracted to masculine, sort of "bad boy" looking guys.
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Old 07-31-2011, 04:53 PM
 
Location: Hawaii
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If the type of person you want to date is not interested in you, then maybe, just maybe, you have unrealistic expectations.

Everyone has to decide for themselves what they will and will not accept in a potential partner. If your standards are unrealistic, you'll continue to remain single until you figure that out. It's just stupid to point fingers and be angry when someone doesn't want to date you.

Sure, the qualities I found attractive in a potential partner changed as I got older -- I raised my standards, I didn't lower them!

But as I matured I realized that some things weren't as important to me as they once were. Hair, for instance: In my youth I would not have been attracted to a bald guy. But as I got older I wanted a man whom I could respect. Hair was optional.
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Old 07-31-2011, 05:09 PM
 
Location: So Cal
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I'm not interested in Russian women. I knew 3 Russian women in college and a few Eastern Europeans in college as well.

I prefer asian, european and latin american women outside of America.

I have spoken to guys who have dated in Russia and they said Russian women don't have the anti-male mentality so prevalent in America and are exponentially more approachable than American women.

Saying that, you still have to do your homework if you want to go to Russia and date the women over there. You can't just go over there thinking it will be perfect if you don't do your research before going to Russia.

I wouldn't advise any black, latino or asian male to go to Russia to date because of the skin heads.
Side note.

I didn't know that Russia had any kind of skinhead problems. I just Googled it and was shocked at the first links that came up.

I find it extra bizarre that Russians would embrace Neo-Nazi ideology, the Russians absolutely hated the Germans, stemming way back from WW2.
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Old 07-31-2011, 05:12 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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It's the old "I'm ok, the rest of the world is crazy" logic.
Why should we change for other people? That's just being fake.
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