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Tell me more .. whar are you like? What do you do to meet them?
Among other things, get a profile on OKCupid. It's free, and effective. Learn how to "read" peoples profile. There are some really nice ladies out there, some really nice ladies that like to have fun, and some freaks. All are fine, just figure out what you want, and be honest.
Not my place to tell you how to conduct your business, but I find it is perfectly acceptable (and productive) to be 100% honest. I'm not a player, never have been, never will be. It's not necessary though. Just be honest.
I'm equally shocked (in a good way) at how many seemingly normal, professional, lady-like ladies have a much more open mind than I could have ever imagined. Turns out that more often than not, I'm the one who's old fashioned, and living in boxes. I'm trying to work on that, but at a decent pace, and respectfully.
if you want to pick up 'women for fun' get a damn hooker or escort.
Or..... Pick up a woman that is into having fun.
Be honest with everyone is the only rule. If two consenting adults are honest with one another, than have some fun.
I respect your choices (Doll Eyes), I really do, but just like you said in another thread, everyone needs to be tollerant. That means that if you are not into "just having fun", then don't (quite commendable!), but let others do so, if that's what they want.
Most important to anyone is to be smart and be safe. Don't be a victim, while my opinion is that the world is filled with mostly good people, there are certainly some bad apples to watch out for. Don't be naive, but also, don't judge others if their values don't fit into your box.
Speaking of boxes, I'll get off mine now.
EDIT> I will add to my response that supporting the sex trade (hookers and escorts) is far more likely to objectify woman than is being honest and dating someone who is like-minded. Because some women (and men) are more open with their sexuality, it does not say anything negative about their values, it just says that their values are different.
This is why older American guys put up with so much abuse from their wives because they know they don't have the same dating options as American women if they were to be single over 40.
Now, if you lived overseas, even as close as Mexico, you would have plenty of options.
And of course you would know the details of every single relationship in the US
Do you ever read the rubbish you post? The preview button is your friend.
How many 47 year old women are looking to pick up men in their 20's and 30's....yet older men think it is the norm for them....odd.
It's a fact that women, in general, don't like being in relationships with younger men.
I remember when I was 15 and the girls all around my age wanted 25+ year old guys because they had a job and a car, then when I got 25, the girls around my age wanted guys who were 30 because they had better jobs and their own home. And now that I'm in my early 30's, I find that women who are over 40 want to date men who are the same age or a little older.
What it all comes down to is that women want to be with a MAN who is financially secure and has some status within the community. It's a huge turn off to women when they date a male who reminds them of a child.
I've always thought it was funny that men complain about the 'older, divorced with children, baggage ridden women' when they're usually the ones who CREATED these women in the first place.
It's a two way street JJ. Sometimes the males did create the baggage, but in other cases the female made **** poor choices when she was young.
Either way, I'm living my life for myself, and I have the right to avoid older women with baggage because it's simply not my job to come to their rescue.
I mean, I really don't get why this is such an issue? Women discriminate against poor men all the time, so why get all upset when men discriminate against old women with baggage?
It's a two way street JJ. Sometimes the males did create the baggage, but in other cases the female made **** poor choices when she was young.
Either way, I'm living my life for myself, and I have the right to avoid older women with baggage because it's simply not my job to come to their rescue.
I mean, I really don't get why this is such an issue? Women discriminate against poor men all the time, so why get all upset when men discriminate against old women with baggage?
That's your prerogative, and I have a similar viewpoint. But it just cracks me up when guys my age or a bit older complain about 'baggage' when they have just as much if not more...they just cover it up well. For every single Mom there's a single Dad and when I did online dating I found that the vast majority of men won't even mention their kids or divorce (or the fact that they're still married in 2 cases) because they simply don't think it matters. I consider ALL of that baggage, but men don't as long as it happens to a man. If a woman is divorced with kids, all of a sudden it's baggage.
And, as for your poor comment... why is the man poor? I think you'll find most women 'discriminate' against the reasons, not the fact that he's poor. Why would I want a man who sits and home and has no motivation? That's usually the reason people are poor.
I mean, I really don't get why this is such an issue? Women discriminate against poor men all the time, so why get all upset when men discriminate against old women with baggage?
The responses to your post aren't arguing about discriminating against older women with baggage. They have a problem with your sweeping dismissal of ALL women over a certain age as either married, divorced or with kids and baggage. Can you see this? Do you understand the difference? Are you even aware of the clear implications of what you said? Your subsequent posts lead us to believe the answer is "no".
I was just at a party at some club given for a friend of mine who is 33 and I'm 47. I was by far the oldest guy there. That said, I'm superficial as hell. I luckily have more hair than any of the younger guys, and I take anabolic steroids regularly to stay lean and muscular through my workouts. I'm 6'1" and muscular. I was great looking when I was in my 20's and 30's. Women used to show me blatant interest back then. Unfortunately, I think I developed too much of a need for female validation in the process.
Despite all that, I had real low chances with the women this time. Why? Because I'm over 40 now, which is a plague for younger women. No matter how great looking I was in my 20's and 30's.
I'm already married, but I was trying to see what would happen "if". My conclusion .. over 40 = sexual oblivion. The realization was quite depressing. I need to come to terms with this before another ten years go by.
I have about 2-3 guy friends that are probably a younger version of you.
You probably never had to try to hard to meet and date women, have you?
I think this is interesting that you had a "bad" night, and didn't get noticed by women that night.
Other then the 2-3 friends I know that are constantly approached by women, the rest of my friends and I get overlooked, while women at the bars chase after the 10% or so of guys that are the most attractive. The rest of us guys probably more regularly are forced to meet and date women through friends, and activities, and groups.
I think it is interesting that a guy who had never been treated as not the top 10% of males, is frustrated by this.
What you explained as being overlooked is what happens to many many guys almost their entire life.
I consider ALL of that baggage, but men don't as long as it happens to a man. If a woman is divorced with kids, all of a sudden it's baggage.
That's because the kids usually live with the mom so if you want to build a life with a divorced woman you have to build one with her kids as well.
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