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Dude, it has nothing to do with Feminism or the ''feminization'' of the ''white, western male.'' That's the BS being dished out by the manosphere(read, 50 year old men who go to philipines to ''score women 30 years younger) and by the men who can't make the cut, the average men, and instead of accepting how it is, somehow blame ''feminism'' for turning men into ''nice guys.''
The nicest guys I know are the Alpha males these average guys enjoy so much to vilify. I knew a guy in college who was 6'2'', looked like a surfer, had perfect teeth, had at least 10 of the 30 most attractive of the girls in my degree interested in him, blatantly throwing themselves at him, and I was just another random dude who was befriended by him. This guy would always include me in his social groups and he'd try to set me up with women(funny thing was, its already pretty hard to get something going with below-average women, so when the dude would put me in front of perfect 10's, heh, awkward), he would help me out in whatever I was doing and he never treated me badly or ignored me.
Another guy, this one was 6'10'' had dark hair, the classical handsome guy. I looked like a midget next to him. He never used me to make himself appear even more manly to women. He would always treat me with proper respect, going out of his way to shake my hand. This guy could've crushed pretty much anyone and I never once saw him get in a fight, not even when he was drunk.
on the other hand, the average men, whenever they thought they saw female attention coming my way, because they were starved for sex, would throw me under the bus. I mostly keep to myself, but when I do interact with men or have to do it on a daily basis: I only talk to Alpha men.
Dude, it has nothing to do with Feminism or the ''feminization'' of the ''white, western male.'' That's the BS being dished out by the manosphere(read, 50 year old men who go to philipines to ''score women 30 years younger) and by the men who can't make the cut, the average men, and instead of accepting how it is, somehow blame ''feminism'' for turning men into ''nice guys.''
The nicest guys I know are the Alpha males these average guys enjoy so much to vilify. I knew a guy in college who was 6'2'', looked like a surfer, had perfect teeth, had at least 10 of the 30 most attractive of the girls in my degree interested in him, blatantly throwing themselves at them, and I was just another random dude who was befriended by him. This guy would always include me in his social groups and he'd try to set me up with women(funny thing was, its already pretty hard to get something going with below-average women, so when the dude would put me in front of perfect 10's, heh, awkward), he would help me out in whatever I was doing and he never treated me badly or ignored me.
Another guy, this one was 6'10'' had dark hair, the classical handsome guy. I looked like a midget next to him. He never used me to make himself appear even more manly to women. He would always treat me with proper respect, going out of his way to shake my hand. This guy could've crushed pretty much anyone and I never once saw him get in a fight, not even when he was drunk.
on the other hand, the average men, whenever they thought they saw female attention coming my way, because they were starved for sex, would throw me under the bus. I mostly keep to myself, but when I do interact with men or have to do it on a daily basis: I only talk to Alpha men.
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Men aren't getting laid or entering relationships because women can pick and choose, and women are going to pick the best looking males for those perfect genes to be added to the genetic pool of Mankind. Its perfectly natural. I've met many a female doctor and engineer who made a ton of money, had decent looks, and supported the lazy Brad Pitt and Orlando Bloom found in every human comunity. I'm particular to this because I admire beauty, not only female beauty. Its going to be pretty awesome 20 years from now to see mostly people who are tall and visually stunning.
Porn was created for the average man. Its not a perfect solution, but the Japanese are working on other methods for us to get our rocks off. Don't worry.
There are no other methods or substitutes for real human interaction. The biggest factor in being with another human, is the fact that they are human beings, with emotions, thoguhts, morals feelings. It has been studied and published dozens of times, so forget about buying yourself a doll. 50 years of shaming masculinity from radical feminist sites to the school room your children enter every morning, has created a world filled with pussified men. The men that women avoid at all costs and walk over at every opportunity. Incredible amount of guys today are completely clueless as to how to behave like men and not to be ashamed of their masculine sexuality.
As to looks, they are only a little bit important when it comes to attracting women. My point of view aligns with the evolutionary approach. Woman's looks are of utmost importance to men, because men subconsciously equate physical appearance and youth with fertility. If men could give birth, their physical appearance would mean just as much. But we cannot give birth, never have and never will. Instead, men need to display behavior of a man who makes a good protector and a provider, which trumps physical appearance by huge margin. Women instinctively seek a mate who will be there for her and their future offspring, who can provide for them and protect them as needed. This is why mans behavior, driven partialy by his character and personality is what truly counts. Most women will tell you straight up, that what is truly important, is how a man makes her feel rather than details of his physical appearance. However, with 75% of modern men being overly feminine and pussified, It makes perfect sense for them to become fixated on their own appearance. How very weak, sad and fruity.
I also noticed men smiling at other men when they see hot women. Is it almost like they look at each other like oh my god she's so hot. Do men really do that. This what i see at their place of work.
Yes, they do! And, I've noticed guys giving other guys a handshake if they see their friend or acquaintance is out with a hot chick. No words are exchanged to that effect, mind you. I supposed everything is tacitly understood between them. Almost an unspoken, "Congrats on landing a hottie" or I guess if it happens in the UK, "Well PLAYED, Sir. Well PLAYED"!
One thing that I have to point out in this conversation is that I'm sure some of the guys that get harshly rejected by women are those who finally decide to take a chance, but are inexperienced and therefore nervous or socially awkward. Many women would be quick to dismiss these types, but I think most males would be flattered to be approached by a female with a similar personality. Females who think that males can be just as harsh to less attractive strangers hitting on them, remind yourself of this scenario.
There are no other methods or substitutes for real human interaction. The biggest factor in being with another human, is the fact that they are human beings, with emotions, thoguhts, morals feelings. It has been studied and published dozens of times, so forget about buying yourself a doll. 50 years of shaming masculinity from radical feminist sites to the school room your children enter every morning, has created a world filled with pussified men. The men that women avoid at all costs and walk over at every opportunity. Incredible amount of guys today are completely clueless as to how to behave like men and not to be ashamed of their masculine sexuality.
As to looks, they are only a little bit important when it comes to attracting women. My point of view aligns with the evolutionary approach. Woman's looks are of utmost importance to men, because men subconsciously equate physical appearance and youth with fertility. If men could give birth, their physical appearance would mean just as much. But we cannot give birth, never have and never will. Instead, men need to display behavior of a man who makes a good protector and a provider, which trumps physical appearance by huge margin. Women instinctively seek a mate who will be there for her and their future offspring, who can provide for them and protect them as needed. This is why mans behavior, driven partialy by his character and personality is what truly counts. Most women will tell you straight up, that what is truly important, is how a man makes her feel rather than details of his physical appearance. However, with 75% of modern men being overly feminine and pussified, It makes perfect sense for them to become fixated on their own appearance. How very weak, sad and fruity.
Is that so?
When I was in my teens I worked as a janitor for a very famous male model agency. I would hang out with these guys whenever I had free time because they could easily slip me into their vip parties, I enjoyed being treated like a human being instead of being seen by average men as a possible tool to have their ''manhood' increased in the eyes of women, and they were pretty much a lot of fun. Think of the parties Jay Gatsby would give. Think of me as Nick Carraway(minus the hot girl he was banging, Jordan). I would observe everything and participate in nothing(they pushed me for it, but really? A man should know his place in life. Peasants do not dine with Kings).
Several of these Jared Padaleckis had been raised by single mothers. There was no father figure to instil those ''man'' qualities in them!
They'd be sweet, ''beta'', ''mangina'' and what else people use nowadays to designate the men who can't get laid to save their lives(I am one of those, but I accept what I am and I live a good life in any case, lol) and they'd still get laid with 18 year old Angelina Jolies. They always had the first place in their relationships. The women never argued with them, when they had a jealously fit they'd be cut off from these dude's lives and they'd get another woman. Compare that with the dating life of the average man.. From staying on the phone for hours, to guys dishing me because the girlfriend is jealous of the attention he's getting from me and he doesn't want to go a month without sex..
You know, now that I think about it, I think men try to imitate the behavior of successful men in order to get laid but it always fails because they lack the masculine allure(good-looks, bad boy swag, height, etc) and instead of deducting that what is wrong is with them, not with women, begin to believe that men are failing with women due to feminism.
Dude, feminism released men and women from each other. Why would a man want to be with a woman who is not into him? Look at how different couples in their 20's are from the couples in their 30's.
The 20-something couple, the man is always taller than the woman, usually taller than most men.He's good-looking and fit.The woman is below-average to good-looking. You see her hanging from his arm, being so gay(joyful, yes)to him. Then you look at a 30-something couple and what do you have? A woman paired up with a balding fella/guy her height, she's walking a couple of meters away from him, closed body language, she doesn't want to be seen with him but he's probably helping with the payment of the bills, so she has to close her eyes and do it for England.
What's in the average guy to make a woman sexually aroused? His balding head? His skinny frame? His short stature/average height? Or his crooked, yellowed-out teeth? His humanity? Please.A sensitive soul will result in tears being used as lube during the guy's masturbation. Trust me. I have quite the experience with that one .
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It has been studied and published dozens of times, so forget about buying yourself a doll.
Studies? One of my majors was in Archeology. I had a stint in paleontology and in prehistory. Every week I would read dozens of articles from some whacko in the field who thought he had something new regarding the origins of Mankind or whatever. Who cares about studies. I'm interested in what I see, what I experience, what others talk me of and what they have to deal with. Human beings can live without sex(impotent men before viagra killed themselves?) and they can live without women in their lives. I haven't received a kiss on my cheek or had any form of physical contact since 2009 or around that.
I'm not depressed. I'm not frustrated. I'm not crying myself to sleep every night. I also don't receive affection from animals. Don't have any. And I find most interactions to be boring. They're a rehearsal of what was done and said during the previous day. I do notice that most people need attention, but that comes from a place of weakness. I got over it. I too was emotionally dependent on the approval received from women and when I was to be rejected or treated like something a dog wouldn't even take a leak on, I'd feel hurt, too. I got over it. Now I'm indifferent.
To check if that was so, last year, I hit on 200 women and I was rejected by all. It didn't phase me at all. And this is happening to the young men in Japan, with the grass-eating generation.
I'm noticing that the western man is picking this from the Asian men. We're adapting. Its what humans do best. We find what works and what doesn't and we become better, we survive. Those who don't become the Homo Habilis. Sure, they were responsible for the creation of the first stone tools, but they ended up dead, anyway.
Dude, I know I've put down quite the lenghty wall of text.. but seriously. This is a new century. Even though my first degree was essentially the study of Mankind's past, I was never one to hover near the Ancient Romans for long. Stop living in the 50's. No one cares about a man's capacity to provide or his dedication to women . Most relationships of today are rather shallow and women(and men, if they can) will jump ship as soon as a better deal comes along, and character, personality, morality, dedication, and love means nothing at all to most people.
I had friends with pretty strong morals and they had to resort to prostitution in Germany to get laid(I don't understand why they just don't live their entire lives with sex. If its paid sex, its patethic and creepy). They weren't Brad Pitts but they had decent-looks and had decent height and body builds. They women they wanted, they were nothing to write home about, but these guys were pretty much heartfelt for them.
They would listen to them, they would ask them out, they'd give anything and they'd receive nothing(at least nothing if we're talking about relationships or sex).
Hell, I'm guilty of that myself. When I was in my early 20's I'd warn my female friends(some, I wanted to sleep with, yes, others I cared for) about their douchebags and they'd still insist in being with these dudes.
One in particular, she was beautiful. He was ugly but had money and a german car, brand new. He would cheat on her all the time. He sold her a bycicle, but she was expecting him to take it to her after he dumped her. Hah! He took the bike(he had her money) and sold it to another guy, making double the money of what the bike was worth from that dude, and still holding to the money she payed for the bike she never received.
Meanwhile, good old 10th man down was at 4 am in her car consoling the poor damsel in distress
oh yeah, she noticed how much of a good personality I had. That's why she told me, out of nowhere, she'd date me if I bought a car like the car he had. Yes, I have a couple hundreds of thousands around to spare on a car.
Sure, you might say that I was aiming too high. I was attracted to her, but I knew I could never get her. Hell, I had just been ditched by an average(closely bordering on below-average) because a David Beckham was feeling frisky and wanted to unload a load before the big game, so it was not like I had my heart set on this beautiful girl.
I do have a better example than this. My dad is taller than me, looks good in his 50's(almost 60) and he never had any other woman besides my mother. I doubt its a matter of love. My mother - from the pictures I've seen - was nothing special and she always told me of the many hot guys she banged before meeting my father. At the age of 25 she began to suffer from baby rabies and my dad's awesome personality and devoted tendency to be a good man made her pursue him. 6 months later she gave birth to me and my father was locked in eternal servitude, dealing with a lot of problems, rarely getting sex, and getting it from a woman who slept with a lot of guys without expecting anything in return.
That is the fate of the beta male. Men should only interact with women when they have the physical means(looks) to be looked at by her, as a god. The men who are average and instead of giving up, go after women, will end up like my father. He's almost 60 and stuck paying for the mistakes she made in her 20's. Oh, and he paid for all her college debt, not that she ever used her degree, stay-at home mom as soon as the baby came out and she never returned to the working world.
Nah man, I know men are biologically wired to want to be part of a relationship, but Jay Gatsby was Alphas as Alpha gets and he was still screwed over by Wilson, that snickering Omega male.
You're right about one thing. I can't really understand why there are so much whinning men who try to break a wall with their skulls. Instead of coming to terms with their reality, they try and cry, and whine, and chase women. I haven't talked to a woman, socially, in 3 years or more, and I'm in mint condition, emotionally. The women I interact with is the sweet 70 year old lady who makes the coffee for my boss, my sister and my mother. That's it. I haven't had a social conversation with a woman in that long a time.
You talk a lot about feminized men. I don't see ''masculine'' men, the Alpha males, spend that much time with women. I only see the betas cry for female attention. How about, forgetting about women, let them be, and have their Alphas, and work on being happy with yourself? That's the advice I'd give to a young man. That and don't go straight to college after High school. Wait some 5 to 10 years and get educated in other things/trades. Think of how hard it was to be a young man in high school. Mutiply that by the thousands and thousands of young, hot women he'd see in college.
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subconsciously equate physical appearance and youth with fertility. If men could give birth, their physical appearance would mean just as much. But we cannot give birth, never have and never will. Instead, men need to display behavior of a man who makes a good protector and a provider, which trumps physical appearance by huge margin. Women instinctively seek a mate who will be there for her and their future offspring, who can provide for them and protect them as needed. This is why mans behavior, driven partialy by his character and personality is what truly counts. Most women will tell you straight up, that what is truly important, is how a man makes her feel rather than details of his physical appearance. However, with 75% of modern men being overly feminine and pussified, It makes perfect sense for them to become fixated on their own appearance. How very weak, sad and fruity.
In other words, these guys want to get laid and they aim for the fruit in the higher branches. Hm, I'm sure the same goes for other guys. Stay 2 days without watching porn or masturbating. Voilá. Most women are now very attractive in the eyes of most men. It has nothing to do with fertility or health... there are plenty of very good-looking women who have trouble conceiving. I knew one girl who had to take the pill to have her periods and it took her a loooooooong time to get pregnant, a 23 year old girl who could put to shame most of the models we see out there in those fashion catwalks.
The rest of what you wrote is just.. no offense. Nonsense. Women aren't interested in what men make, his degrees and his things. There are far more women in college than there are men. Most of the people who don't have a job are men. Most young men can't fix a flat tire and many of those guys are still getting laid(attractive-looking women). I've never a woman younger than 35 interested in what the guy wants to do with his life. Poor women, women who relied on their looks to get things from life, yes. I can see that. But quality women, intelligent women, will not need a man's money. Damn, man. More and more women are making more money than men.
The truth of the matter is that we're diposable. Women have no need and no use for the average man, and that's how it should be. We, the Homo average Joe will be replaced by tall, intelligent, and very good-looking men. Nothing can stop mommy nature.
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I also noticed men smiling at other men when they see hot women. Is it almost like they look at each other like oh my god she's so hot. Do men really do that. This what i see at their place of work.
Yes some men do look at each other with a smile when they see a beautiful woman in their sight. Lets face it men look at women probably more then women looking at men.
As for me personally, I never make it obvious I am looking at a woman because I think some women find it disrespectful if they catch me checking them out, I may be wrong but that is how I think. One quick initial glance is all I get.
I don't stare at women, but I do look. So what? Most of the time I never act because I know a girl is out of my league, but who says you cannot appreciate a beautiful woman from afar as long as it's not some creepy stare. I think the natural reaction for human beings is too shly look away when someone catches them looking. Nothing bad about it, and I'm sure most people find it flattering.
I don't stare at women, but I do look. So what? Most of the time I never act because I know a girl is out of my league, but who says you cannot appreciate a beautiful woman from afar as long as it's not some creepy stare. I think the natural reaction for human beings is too shly look away when someone catches them looking. Nothing bad about it, and I'm sure most people find it flattering.
Once you start talking about "her being out of my league," you might as well give up without a fight. Nobody is impressed with someone who carries a defeatist attitude, especially women. Some women even feel the same way about some guys, believing that they aren't in his league.
I will give you this. There are women that I would just prefer to look at whether from up close or from afar because that's all they are good for. They are just decorative women that can be replaced with another good looking woman. The arrogance and attitude on her face almost always tells the whole story. Good for fantasy, not for reality.
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I also don't receive affection from animals. Don't have any. And I find most interactions to be boring. They're a rehearsal of what was done and said during the previous day. I do notice that most people need attention, but that comes from a place of weakness. I got over it. I too was emotionally dependent on the approval received from women and when I was to be rejected or treated like something a dog wouldn't even take a leak on, I'd feel hurt, too. I got over it. Now I'm indifferent.
