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I think that small talk is fine and some lines are just corny. Personally, I don't get what all this "staring" is about. In my experience, guys that look usually talk.
Maybe for you, but definitely not for me. I get stares constantly and very, very, very rarely will a guy even say hello to me.
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An even bigger question is: Why do women wear skirts,and shorts up to their crotches,and then get pissed off, or offended when you can't but help stare at them?
A glance or look is fine. Leering and staring is not. If you've stared long enough to elicit a response from her, you've been staring too long.
Can you seriously not help yourself? That's similar to an argument often used in rape cases...well, she was wearing a short skirt and was asking for it!! Have some self control.
An even bigger question is: Why do women wear skirts,and shorts up to their crotches,and then get pissed off, or offended when you can't help but stare at them?
It's hot out and there is a difference between looking and staring. Also, I have been "cattle called" while wearing a suit so some guys are just rude.
A glance or look is fine. Leering and staring is not.
Can you seriously not help yourself? That's similar to an argument often used in rape cases...well, she was wearing a short skirt and was asking for it!! Have some self control.
I can't stand when people use this defense for rapists. Are we not allowed to wear what we want without fear of being accosted? We're supposed to have self-control and be able to behave in different situations.
I don't understand why men have to be so afraid to approach women- have some courage! Just be nice during your approach and don't come off as a jerk and you should be fine. Even if you're nice, and the woman is taken, she'll probably be nice in turning you down. What do you have to lose?
Your whole pre planned future?
I don't approach women because, I mean, what if she's "it"? I want to go to Vegas, I want to bum around in Hawaii, I want to stay out till 4 in the morning...
All that goes by the wayside when you're with someone because all of a sudden you're thinking in terms of 'we'. "We can't go to Hawaii because she gets really bad sunburn..."
Yeah, no thanks.
Still, women are very pleasing to look at. And....that comes with no obligation on my part.
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I don't approach women because, I mean, what if she's "it"? I want to go to Vegas, I want to bum around in Hawaii, I want to stay out till 4 in the morning...
All that goes by the wayside when you're with someone because all of a sudden you're thinking in terms of 'we'. "We can't go to Hawaii because she gets really bad sunburn..."
Yeah, no thanks.
Still, women are very pleasing to look at. And....that comes with no obligation on my part.
Maybe you can find a woman who likes the same things you do?
I'm planning on working at a horse ranch in Austria next year for 2 months and I'd love for a SO other to come along. I go to Vegas 3 or 4 times a year and party it up! Hawaii? Sure, my aunt and uncle live over there and I've got a few friends that live on Maui, let's go!
I know that's easier said than done...believe me... but I think at that point you'll know you've found a keeper because you want to do things together.
I can't stand when people use this defense for rapists. Are we not allowed to wear what we want without fear of being accosted? We're supposed to have self-control and be able to behave in different situations.
It's really messed up...and I can't help but think men are doing themselves a great disservice because they're essentially telling everyone that they're wild animals that can't possibly be in control of their own actions. I'd like to think they're better than that.
No i don't think it is well put. Just because some guys don't approach women does not mean they are less masculine or pussified or that they do not know how to go after what they want and get it. Many guys simply see no reason to play the game or jump through ridiculous hoops. I never appoach women i do not know. Period. I will not violate someone elses personal space. Not because i am less masculine but because it is rude. Now if i happen to be somewhere and a woman is close by and a conversation starts naturally, fine. If not, that's fine too. I know other guys who feel this way too. Like all guys we notice attractive women however we also possess the ability to identify whether it will work out or not by observation. Ascension: just because a guy does not ascribe to your ideal of manhood it does not make him less of a man. Also when trying to make a salient point use actual words not crude slang.
I think we men have been sent confusing BS messages for many years from 'society', however you want to define that, and we should just be men and comfortable in our own skin. If I look and/or talk to a woman and she blows me off, so what? If she talks to me, great. If I hit on her she'll let me know one way or another if she's interested or not. It's fun.
Maybe you can find a woman who likes the same things you do?
Perhaps he wants to do those things by himself.
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I think we men have been sent confusing BS messages for many years from 'society', however you want to define that, and we should just be men and comfortable in our own skin. If I look and/or talk to a woman and she blows me off, so what? If she talks to me, great. If I hit on her she'll let me know one way or another if she's interested or not. It's fun.
Agree. No one's going to die if some flirting goes on. Not sure why everyone acts so sensitive.
Maybe I just misread his post, but it sounded like the hypothetical SO in his post would stop him from doing those things he likes doing and that's why he doesn't want to date anyone.
If he found someone who enjoyed the same things he did, he would obviously still be able to do them and maybe with a bit of companionship.
Doing them alone is kind of a no-brainer since he can do that now.
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