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Old 05-20-2010, 12:59 PM
 
Location: Eastern Washington
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Half-jokingly I can suggest all the hormones from milk and meat that the kids are getting in their diets anymore.

I do think that "kids" anymore are maturing sexually at an earlier age. The girls are more noticable, I don't recall 12-year old girls with well-developed figures when I was 12.

 
Old 05-20-2010, 01:07 PM
 
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When I was in high school, girls were sexually active, a lot of them felt pressure from their boyfriends to put out, and we were all bombarded with images of sex. And there were always a certain number of girls who slept around in order to be popular with the cool guys. So in that respect, not much has changed.

What has changed is that people are more open about sex. We use sex to sell stuff on TV, we had a President who got caught in a scandal where oral sex suddenly became a subject of the evening news, and we have commercials for erectile dysfunction every 5 minutes. What's also changed is that girls are maturing a lot faster. I'll see girls now who are 10 or 11 and they look like they're 15, probably cause all the growth hormone in dairy is causing these kids to develop even sooner than they should be.
 
Old 05-20-2010, 01:07 PM
 
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Half-jokingly I can suggest all the hormones from milk and meat that the kids are getting in their diets anymore.

I do think that "kids" anymore are maturing sexually at an earlier age. The girls are more noticable, I don't recall 12-year old girls with well-developed figures when I was 12.
Seriously, that might be a reason.

Also something maybe to look at: cultures/races that come from hotter climates closer to the Equator and Africa tend to get their periods earlier (and therefore mature faster sexually) than people ancestrally from colder climates far from the Equator. (This has been scientifically proven, and it makes sense because people historically from hotter climates have a shorter life span than those from northern climates so it follows logically that those who live shorter lives would want to start reproducing earlier).

So what happens when a bunch of women get put together, like in the same classes every day? Their periods sync up. So those from hotter climates may be triggering those who culturally come from northern climates.

Just a thought.
 
Old 05-20-2010, 01:10 PM
 
Location: Columbus, OH
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Pretty sure the Pilgrams immigrated for religious freedom. Yes they were puritans and America as a whole is much more uptight about sex than Europe especially about the naked body, but it is also an accepted practice for husbands to have mistresses in European countries where here...not so much
Like I said they left so they could be more conservative/uptight...
 
Old 05-20-2010, 01:30 PM
 
Location: Way up high
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To the brainard that sent me that rep with the dumb comment behind it: I was simply saying this is why I don't have kids. It makes my life so much easier. It has nothing to do with the fact I'm going to a swingers club tomorrow and again, I NEVER SAID I was going to participate in an orgy. Read my entire thread or keep your dumb ass comments to yourself!! Have a nice day
 
Old 05-20-2010, 01:31 PM
 
Location: Corydon, IN
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It's not a single cause; it's many, many causes. I blame a plethora of things ranging from Mtv and the evolution of "sexual liberation" all the way to Feminism (as differentiated per my thinking from Women's Lib -- NOT the same thing) and its faux-empowerment and aggrandized entitlement; from both male and female patterns of thought all the way to the illogical patterns of socio-cultural development since the 1940's.

Everyone wants to blame someTHING but it's not any one thing, it's MANY things.

More ludicrous (or perhaps "sad and pathetic" is the most apt description since there is a marked tragedy in this phenomenon) people want to either revile or justify negative behaviour, pointing out the successful exceptions rather than face the facts of the prevalent UNsuccessful rule.

Just because you can insist you LIKE having crap on your face doesn't mean the rest of us have to believe it. That's okay, though; you GO, Lone Wolf, you GO!

Back on topic, this most assuredly IS, as already pointed out, present in both boys and girls today.

It's well and good to say "so long as they're not getting pregnant or spreading STD's what's the harm" by way of justifying what one is clearly trying to label "sexual empowerment" -- and so long as they aren't doing any of that, there's NOT a SEXUAL difference between boys and girls, no reason one should be labeled a **** while the other slapped on the back.

(NOTE: to the chick who labeled this action "typically male", GET BENT! That was amazingly offensive and derogatory toward men as a whole and wouldn't be tolerated for a second if the genders were reversed.)

However, as much as we walk around pretending there's no difference between boys and girls and worse, pretending there should be no difference -- there still is. There always has been and always will be so long as females carry the babies and males can't. Not "won't" -- CAN'T. Believe me, I'd love nothing more (except a loving and trustworthy partner) than to select an egg donor, fertilize that egg and have a healthy child of MY own without being saddled by a woman -- but that's NOT possible, so discussing it is absolutely POINTLESS.

This topic, however, is NOT pointless.

Children are raised without parents present for much of the time, due to various factors. Like it or not, the demise of the "Traditional American Family" has left children without positive influence of one parent or the other, or sometimes without either. Often there are no responsible elder sibs to help make up for the gap.

Someone asked what the effect of the microwave was, how it could be detrimental. The microwave was a symbol of a life of luxury and ease, not a shout for help against all things electronic. THAT's how it's detrimental. Kids no longer know the meaning of honest labour or the sense of reward it can yield. Everything is handed to them. I'm not advocating Dark Ages child enslavement, but we're living in an age where many kids will QUIT a job because the manager asks them to stay late and help lock up.

Someone commented how any male who looks at a female in a derogatory fashion just because she slept with him is a misogynistic dbag. TYPICALLY female remark, and amazingly narrow-minded as well since it's disregarding the male view of not THAT she slept with him but HOW and WHY she slept with him that matters regarding whether a male respects her afterward or not.

That's NOT all-inclusive; some boys/men are simply jerks the same way some girls/women WILL simply spread their legs for any swinging penis that comes down the pike.

If she slept with him because she really liked him and she ended up getting used, that's a crying shame but it's life. He needs to get punched by other boys or men but it's still just Life.

If she slept with him because she thought it would make him like her, then she's perpetuating her own low self-esteem problems and the fault lies with her a bit more than with him BECAUSE she had choice and control over her own body while he simply had desire. Don't give me that garbage about social pressures; if a boy succumbs to social pressures we slap him around verbally and demean him for being "weak" and "giving in"; if girls do, we blame the social pressures for "making these girls do it". It's another BS victim card, so long as we're decrying double standards.

Kids today aren't just reared in a highly sexualized society where bump-and-grind is thrust in your face at every turn; they're raised in a high-pressure highly sexualized society.

Girls see Paris Hilton behaving badly and getting rewarded with attention and glamour. They see Britney wearing less and less clothing and doing her slow grind, surrounded by adoring man-candy -- and they want that life too.

(I just know SOME budding little Women's Studies collegiate is going to renounce that because "girls are smarter than that and can see through it" -- but before you do, ask yourself whether you consider yourself "of above average intelligence", because if you do then you have to admit those who are merely average or below average just MIGHT succumb to that form of "pressure", mightn't they?!? EVERY girl out there can't be above average, can she? And "average" or below makes up the MAJORITY by sheer numbers, right?)

Boys see thug-hip-hop stars speaking poorly of females in general WHILE scantily clad women with unbelievable physical attributes grind all over them. They don't take into account that this is acting and these women are paid to do this in a video, they see these men denouncing women and being rewarded with SEX. They see MONEY and POWER.

Respect yourself and others will learn to respect you. Pretending you do... hell, eventually everyone sees through that garbage. A thing is REAL or a thing is NOT -- and if you don't respect yourself no one else will respect you, either.


And another thing: Edward Cullen is a fictional character. He's never coming for you!
 
Old 05-20-2010, 01:47 PM
 
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Someone commented how any male who looks at a female in a derogatory fashion just because she slept with him is a misogynistic dbag. TYPICALLY female remark, and amazingly narrow-minded as well since it's disregarding the male view of not THAT she slept with him but HOW and WHY she slept with him that matters regarding whether a male respects her afterward or not.

That's NOT all-inclusive; some boys/men are simply jerks the same way some girls/women WILL simply spread their legs for any swinging penis that comes down the pike.

If she slept with him because she really liked him and she ended up getting used, that's a crying shame but it's life. He needs to get punched by other boys or men but it's still just Life.

If she slept with him because she thought it would make him like her, then she's perpetuating her own low self-esteem problems and the fault lies with her a bit more than with him BECAUSE she had choice and control over her own body while he simply had desire. Don't give me that garbage about social pressures; if a boy succumbs to social pressures we slap him around verbally and demean him for being "weak" and "giving in"; if girls do, we blame the social pressures for "making these girls do it". It's another BS victim card, so long as we're decrying double standards
The nature of sexual relationships should be agreed upon by the two people (or more, I guess, in certain circumstances) before any sex has been had.

If a guy tells a girl he won't respect her less, that he really likes her or loves her, or basically just lies his ass off and then never calls her or talks smack about her afterwards, then yes, he is a dbag. I'm not saying this because I hate men, I'm saying this because ANYONE who lies to get what they want but then flips the script afterwards is a dbag.

Everyone here agrees that girls shouldn't sleep with guys to bolster their self-esteem. That isn't even up for debate here.
 
Old 05-20-2010, 01:54 PM
 
Location: Outside always.
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Kids are seeing things they shouldn't everyday. The most popular show to many teens is South Park. They also spend an inordinate amount of time watching MTV, Youtube, and R-rated movies. Parents see no problem with taking their children to R-rated movies everyday. Go to one and look around. Also, yes girls are easier these days. Recently at the school I teach at they were playing a game about how many virgins you could sleep with. This game was started by the girls, and not the girls people would assume would do this type of thing. These were the honor students, the cheerleaders, the band girls, and the Interact girls. Boys do not have to work hard to find sex anymore. Young people also believe that oral sex is not really sex, so they can do that and remain a virgin. Yes, kids are different today, and if you don't believe it, read their text messages or the notes they pass. They have sex parties instead of movie parties. It is disturbing and scary. The reason it is wrong is they are not mature enough to handle sex. Also, they are not ready to become parents. Many girls and boys lose repect for themselves and are willing to do anything to fit in or be popular. To me that is sad. Kids have been caught having sex on school grounds, sending naked pictures on cell phones...etc. etc. etc. I do not remember that happening in my day, and I am only 25. So, don't tell me that things have not changed, because there is unwavering evidence that they have. Ask a policeman about the sexting. They are overwhelmed with computer and cell phone complaints.
 
Old 05-20-2010, 02:00 PM
 
Location: Outside always.
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The nature of sexual relationships should be agreed upon by the two people (or more, I guess, in certain circumstances) before any sex has been had.

If a guy tells a girl he won't respect her less, that he really likes her or loves her, or basically just lies his ass off and then never calls her or talks smack about her afterwards, then yes, he is a dbag. I'm not saying this because I hate men, I'm saying this because ANYONE who lies to get what they want but then flips the script afterwards is a dbag.

Everyone here agrees that girls shouldn't sleep with guys to bolster their self-esteem. That isn't even up for debate here.

Yes, and an agreement between a 14 year old and a 13 year old is not the same as two adult people agreeing on the nature of the sexual relationship they are going to have. It is ridiculous to even expect young teens to handle a relationship at all. They need to be closely supervised and encouraged to wait to engage in any kind of sexual activity at all.
 
Old 05-20-2010, 02:02 PM
 
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Yes, and an agreement between a 14 year old and a 13 year old is not the same as two adult people agreeing on the nature of the sexual relationship they are going to have. It is ridiculous to even expect young teens to handle a relationship at all. They need to be closely supervised and encouraged to wait to engage in any kind of sexual activity at all.
Good luck with that.

I know a girl whose parents watched her VERY closely. So what did she do? She started skipping school and got pregnant.

After a certain age, a parent loses control over their child. All you can do is give them the best info and hope they don't hang themselves with it.
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