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Old 06-27-2010, 12:13 PM
 
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A mother can't decide that the baby she gave birth to, she has a right to take its life, why not then she the creator? (many mother have)

Sound stupid, well it is as much as God deciding to take a life after creating one in the wound of my mother and living life.

If where made in his image my logic his his too, if he's our father he sure the hell behind in child support and talking to him on the phone only (holy spirit) is not my kind a father son relationship I want to have.
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Old 06-27-2010, 12:15 PM
 
Location: New York City
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First you have to believe there is a god to then believe there is a god who murders. What is more likely is, men INVENTING gods to excuse and justify their greed, excesses, perversions, murdering and mayhem. This puts the responsibility squarely at the foot of evil and opportunistic mankind and not non-existent, invisible deities. Blaming non existent gods and bogeymen is a silly enterprise. I'm sure swashbuckling Yahweh or thunderbolt hurling Zeus are not pleased.
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Old 06-27-2010, 12:16 PM
 
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First you have to believe there is a god to then believe there is a god who murders. What is more likely is, men INVENTING gods to excuse and justify their greed, excesses, perversions, murdering and mayhem. This puts the responsibility squarely at the foot of evil and opportunistic mankind and not non-existent, invisible deities. Blaming non existent gods and bogeymen is a silly enterprise. I'm sure swashbuckling Yahweh or thunderbolt hurling Zeus are not pleased.
If you put it that way with god out of the picture anyway, mans the jerk then.
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Old 06-27-2010, 12:20 PM
 
Location: El Paso, TX
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So the law showed that man was INCAPABLE of keeping the law so God punishes those who break it?

That makes no sense at all! IF man is INCAPABLE of keeping the law then is it FAIR or JUST to punish them for breaking it? IF you asked your child to do something they were INCAPABLE of doing would YOU punish them?

The Mosiac law was designed to show man that he cannot save himself, or earn salvation by his own efforts and that he is in need of a Savior. Salvation has always been through faith in Christ, even during the age of the law.

The Mosiac law was given to the Jews only. The excepton was that any gentile who sojourned among the Jews was also expected to obey the laws given to Israel. All laws must have penalties. God is strict. He imposed strict penalties on the Israelites for disobedience. He had and has the right to impose penalties as He see's fit. If the Mosiac law was broken in one point, it was broken in all points. Where one individual law might be obeyed, another law would not be. Therefore, the entire law was broken despite obeying some particular law. Man was shown not to be able to keep God's perfect standards and requirements.

God's uncompromising standards based on His perfect essence, require uncompromising consequences. Since man could not keep the law, God became a man, and as the perfect man, who was born without Adam's sin, He was able to keep the law. Therefore, when anyone believes in Christ for salvation, He is saved on the basis of Christ's saving work on the Cross. But anyone who rejects Christ, relies on his own human righteousness and is condemned to the lake of fire on that basis.
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Old 06-27-2010, 12:23 PM
 
Location: missouri
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The person started the thread with the term "murder". She has already pre-loaded or biased her thought as judge, jury, and executioner. This is not a seeker but a declaration of revolt wrapped up in some innocence seeking.

God can not murder in this sense. What is being done here is setting an immoral act outside of god. An eternal co-existing "thing" that can be used to call god to account to (she is doing the demand, as judge). In other words, god is subject to some form of law or morality that is higher than him. So this god is not god at all, the true god is ethics, not a "person".
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Old 06-27-2010, 12:26 PM
 
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The person started the thread with the term "murder". She has already pre-loaded or biased her thought as judge, jury, and executioner. This is not a seeker but a declaration of revolt wrapped up in some innocence seeking.

God can not murder in this sense. What is being done here is setting an immoral act outside of god. An eternal co-existing "thing" that can be used to call god to account to (she is doing the demand, as judge). In other words, god is subject to some form of law or morality that is higher than him. So this god is not god at all, the true god is ethics, not a "person".

Then what about the 4 million plus murders in the bible, not to mention your god complex in judging my intent and I'm not a she Sherlock
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Old 06-27-2010, 12:32 PM
 
Location: El Paso, TX
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Myself, I well NOT have anything to do with a murdering, killing God

Life is punishing enough without a cosmic boogie man on our as*
God is not a murderer.

Then reject Christ as Savior and spend eternity in the lake of fire. That is the alternative. You will have most of the human race to keep you company.

Face reality or try to run from it. You will still face it at the appointed time. And the consequences are eternal in scope. Eternal ruin and uselessness, in torment in hell, among all others who also rejected Christ.

Your choice.
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Old 06-27-2010, 12:34 PM
 
Location: New York City
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If you put it that way with god out of the picture anyway, mans the jerk then.

There ya go!

You see, [SOME] Christians use the argument that atheists and other unbelievers MUST believe in god because they argue that god did this and god did that. You often hear the popular question, "well if you don't believe in god, why are you criticizing him?" Well, when you really look at it, in my HUMBLE opinion, there is no god in the first place to blame or criticize and thus the REAL culprit (man) can be seen for who he is. What I believe some unbelievers do is refer to god in the sense of showing how silly it is and has been to believe in deities just to excuse atrocities. Once the charade known as the gods has been removed and we realize there is nothing behind the curtain except men with bullhorns, yanking the chains of the public, then things can be seen much clearer.
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Old 06-27-2010, 12:55 PM
 
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God is not a murderer.

Then reject Christ as Savior and spend eternity in the lake of fire. That is the alternative. You will have most of the human race to keep you company.

Face reality or try to run from it. You will still face it at the appointed time. And the consequences are eternal in scope. Eternal ruin and uselessness, in torment in hell, among all others who also rejected Christ.

Your choice.

Your speaking with pure speculation not to mention again your need to play judge and jury for another person, check out those other fingers pointing back at you once in awhile.
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Old 06-27-2010, 01:01 PM
 
Location: New England
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Your speaking with pure speculation not to mention again your need to play judge and jury for another person, check out those other fingers pointing back at you once in awhile.
Good advice
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