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Come on, Viz, quit copping out. You made the assertion, now back it up with evidence.
I can't say it was terribly difficult for me to find a link or two on students getting in trouble for reading their Bible in class and such. This is absolutely not evidence of a trend; but the question asked of Vizio required about 1 minute to Google on your own.
I can't say it was terribly difficult for me to find a link or two on students getting in trouble for reading their Bible in class and such. This is absolutely not evidence of a trend; but the question asked of Vizio required about 1 minute to Google on your own.
So, he's off the hook for making the claim? The burden of proof is not on me. I did not claim that my First Amendment rights were being abridged, nor did I reply with 'google it' in lieu of a proper qualitative response.
I did, as it happens, Google the issue. The first result was about a young man who was punished for reading a Bible during his class's 'free reading' time; I will freely admit that the school handled the matter rather badly, but that's hardly indicative of 'being prevented from practicing a religion'.
By the above logic, I could reasonably claim that my freedom of speech was abridged because I wasn't allowed to listen to the radio.
So, he's off the hook for making the claim? The burden of proof is not on me. I did not claim that my First Amendment rights were being abridged, nor did I reply with 'google it' in lieu of a proper qualitative response.
I did, as it happens, Google the issue. The first result was about a young man who was punished for reading a Bible during his class's 'free reading' time; I will freely admit that the school handled the matter rather badly, but that's hardly indicative of 'being prevented from practicing a religion'.
By the above logic, I could reasonably claim that my freedom of speech was abridged because I wasn't allowed to listen to the radio.
As I said, this isn't indicative of an overall problem. I think we agree on that. The claim that these events happen can be supported and as Vizio said, it doesn't take a lot of searching to find that. That was the claim that Vizio was asked to defend.
You said: "We just want to be treated as equal."and "we just want our rights."
It seems to me that, in society in general, Christianity is the tacitly accepted default position. When they have an invocation before a public meeting or event, 99% of the time it will be done by a Christian, with mention of God, and probably Jesus. Instead of asking someone if they are religious, the normal question to ask is "What church do you go to?" In other words, it seems that, generally in American society, that Christianity is treated as more than equal. Please explain how you think Christianity is treated as less than equal to the small minority of non-Christian society. Then you can explain what Constitutional rights Christians have had taken away. Is it freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, freedom of the press, the right to bear arms, illegal search or seizure, being forced to testify against oneself, forced to quarter soldiers in your home, or practice your religion as you see fit (in your own home, church, or on any private property anywhere)? You said "we just want our rights." Which rights are being taken away?
The freedom to exercise my religion as is I see fit. If my religion objects of homosexuality, I should have the right not to rent my apartment to them. That right was taken away from a Christians couple in California several years ago.
I would doubt that. I have read the Bible, cover to cover, and I am an atheist.
I would doubt that your "interpretations" or beliefs about it would change my perceptions of life.
Some atheist do read the Bible, but most don't. Did you read it to find truth or error? Non-believers may read it but they can't understand it(I Cor 2:14).
My goal would not be to change your mind. I Can't do that, only God can. It would be to try and give a rational why I believe. what I believe.
I was converted after I had decided never to go to church again. So never say it can't happen to you.
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