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His illustration works fine. Your understanding and interpretation of it doesn't. No one is condemning the blind for being blind . . . They are being berated for their insistence that the sighted are lying or delusional!!!
Hence, in their blind state, they either need proof or to be given the gift of sight.... that would be reasonable, would it not? How can you 'berate' someone for not believing without reasonable proof or supernatural intervention?
Hence, in their blind state, they either need proof or to be given the gift of sight.... that would be reasonable, would it not? How can you 'berate' someone for not believing without reasonable proof or supernatural intervention?
They are NOT being berated for not believing . . . try to read more carefully. They are being berated for calling the sighted liars or delusional!! How is that reasonable?
Your illustration does not work for belief and unbelief. You are saying that someone born blind, who cannot and will not ever see, because their condition has no cure, is to be condemned for their blindness and is not worthy of life for not believing that sight exists, just because someone else says it does?
That is what Christians say about those who do not believe, who cannot take someone else's word for it, or 'see' without being given proof.
No, no, no! You misunderstood. Reread my post again. Think about it.
The "blind" aren't to be looked at negatively for being "blind"...they are to be corrected for telling others that REALLY CAN "see", that they are "delusional", or "liars", or worse...for claiming "sight". These "blind" people proclaim, "NOBODY REALLY CAN "SEE"...simply on the basis that THEY can't.
I am explaining to them that they are in error about that...and that their criticism is misplaced.
I didn't always understand this concept myself, Ring...I needed to be "educated". Luckily, I found the "education" through one of the members of this forum. I will be forever grateful for that.
You keep thinking about it...you'll "get it". It's really very simple...but at the same time, very "deep". It is more than worth the contemplative effort.
No, no, no! You misunderstood. Reread my post again. Think about it.
The "blind" aren't to be looked at negatively for being "blind"...they are to be corrected for telling others that REALLY CAN "see", that they are "delusional", or "liars", or worse...for claiming "sight". These "blind" people proclaim, "NOBODY REALLY CAN "SEE"...simply on the basis that THEY can't.
I am explaining to them that they are in error about that...and that their criticism is misplaced.
I didn't always understand this concept myself, Ring...I needed to be "educated". Luckily, I found the "education" through one of the members of this forum. I will be forever grateful for that.
You keep thinking about it...you'll "get it". It's really very simple...but at the same time, very "deep". It is more than worth the contemplative effort.
And so these men of Indostan
Disputed loud and long,
Each in his own opinion
Exceeding stiff and strong,
Though each was partly in the right,
And all were in the wrong!
Moral:
So oft in theologic wars,
The disputants, I ween,
Rail on in utter ignorance
Of what each other mean,
And prate about an Elephant
Not one of them has seen!
It would be like those six blind men...standing next to sixty sighted people...and the six blind, telling the sixty sighted...that they were all either "liars and/or delusional", when they claimed to be looking at, and seeing, what they said they were looking at.
And that they came to this determination because NONE OF THOSE SIX were able to see it...thus objectively proving that there wasn't really anything there to see...and furthermore, that was objective proof those sixty sighted people, "were not right in the head and imagining things".
So when they sing "god save the Queen".. they really don't mean it eh? lol
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