how could you change god's words ? (Jehovah's Witnesses, suicide, Baptist, Pilate)
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The treatment of women in Islamic countries comes from the belief that it is Islamic that they cover. It also comes from the belief that men have urges that they find hard to control and thus women need to cover to help men control themselves. And it also comes out of the medieval position that women somehow need men to take care of them and they in many Islamic countries cannot go out without a male escort. The fact that the woman journalist was attacked just speaks to the whole outlook in Muslim countries towards women.
The attitude is both cultural and Islamic.
You can put any kind of spin on it that you want. But the truth is the truth.
Men need to have self control and be able to do that themselves, it is not a womans place to help a man with self control.
That is where the problems begin.
My sons will be responsible for their own self control and they will understand that it is not a womans place to make that possible.
you really wouldnt be able to handle the truth.
the truth is that in the US every 2 minutes someone is sexually assaulted.
the truth is that 15 of 16 rapist will never spend a day in jail
the truth is 60% of sexual assaults are not even reported to the police
you want to point fingers and talk about a story you heard about overseas when its happening every 2 minutes in the nation you live in. you claim that its better here?
do you know that before the prophet muhammad, pbuh, came when a child was born, if she was a girl, they would bury here alive? did you know that it was talked about and questioned whether a woman was the devil? that women were not allowed to read the bible? did you know that christians used to say that a woman souls is not that like mens souls but more of a dogs soul? the prophet came and changed all of this and your talking down on the message he brought?
Yup there are plenty "just bad people" in islam, that is the whole point of the outrage.
You cannot defend the indefensible.
yup there are plenty "just bad people" in christianity, judaism, atheism, agnosticism, etc... your arguement is that because there are bad people in islam that that makes islam bad... but you can have the same argument with any society or organization whether its religious or non-religious...
im not trying to defend the people that claim to be muslims but do things that my religion does not practice. some muslims drink alcohol, the religion of islam does not support that but according to you if someone claims to be a muslim then its part of the religion even though the religion doesnt teach that...
catholic priest have been known to molest little boys, however im not going to judge the religion or catholic priest by what a catholic priest does but this is what you are doing with islam.
not only is it not fair but its completely ignorant to the religion. your talking about islam as if islam teaches rape, killing girls, etc when in fact islam does not teach this at all.
there are just bad people like i said in every religion,, every culture, every society. the fact is some christian men are in gangs and kill innocent people. they have a tattoo of a cross on their shoulders or back and they're killing innocent people. but i dont see you pointing fingers at those people and saying well since some christians do it that means all of them are doing it and it must be part of christianity... thats the most ignorant way of thinking and you just keep doing it with islam...
We are talking of religious police sanctioned by the govenment and enforcing strict adherence to codes of islam, we are not talking secular people as secular peole cannot exist in Saudi unless they are ex pats interned in special camps.
To be a religious cop, you need to be a devout muslim.
Then why do they do it? It is in the qu'ran is it not. The old jewish laws are similar, you lot just have taken it to the literal extreme.
It probably is not fair to moderate muslims like the ones we have here in SA. However, these are aspects one cannot ignore.
This barbarism occurs not only in Saudi but many other countries. One need only google to see the amount of atrocities carried out in islam's name. The atrocities have one common factor, they are all muslims doing these things. this is what happens when the government and religion are not separate.
Of course there are moderates like the king of Jordan but maybe that is because his mother was an English woman and brought a bit of civilization to that country, The current king's wife is westernized and you can see pics of her on the internet, she is beautiful.
Now if this was the norm and not the brutality we see most of the time, then maybe you would have a leg to stand on.
This type of image is what you want us to believe in but the reality is this.
stoning a girl who was raped is not in the quran. and who said that to be a "religious" cop you have to be a devout muslim? god didnt make that rule and it doesnt say it in the quran, people made that rule IF it is indeed a rule. im not saying it is or isnt because ive never tried to be a cop in saudi and i got a good feeling you havent applied either but again, just because they are cops does not make them good people. you sit there and act like you've never heard the term "crooked cops" before. not all cops are good, whether its here or overseas.
So, all the many Imans that call for the death of the cartoonist were "just bad people".
i didnt realize there were that many but it says to not be a transgressor in the quran. meaning don't go out and say to kill this person or that person or hurt this person or that person, but people do it anyways. my imam never said that and im sure other muslims would agree that whoever called for the death of that cartoonist is not right in what they're doing...
stoning a girl who was raped is not in the quran. and who said that to be a "religious" cop you have to be a devout muslim? god didnt make that rule and it doesnt say it in the quran, people made that rule IF it is indeed a rule. im not saying it is or isnt because ive never tried to be a cop in saudi and i got a good feeling you havent applied either but again, just because they are cops does not make them good people. you sit there and act like you've never heard the term "crooked cops" before. not all cops are good, whether its here or overseas.
The holy land of the muslims is where this is all happening. The law there is based on the qu'ran and although in your opinion is not what the book teaches the fact reveal otherwise.
You are hiding behind weak platitudes. You pretend that this barbarism is not happening on a huge scale. The silence of the global muslim community is deafening if this is not the way.
The holy land of the muslims is where this is all happening. The law there is based on the qu'ran and although in your opinion is not what the book teaches the fact reveal otherwise.
You are hiding behind weak platitudes. You pretend that this barbarism is not happening on a huge scale. The silence of the global muslim community is deafening if this is not the way.
We are not hiding anything here ... in fact you are !!! and i will prove it to you ! Since you seems to know about it .. could you please till me what does it takes to implementation the rule of stoning on someone ?? The answer will show that either you are talking of ignorance or you simply hiding half of the truth !! Thank you
Some of the cults have attempted to compile variants of the Bible (eg; the Watchtower 'green bible.'), but, these are "interpretations," not "translations." Along these lines, the Bible clearly states that all 'scripture' is inspired by God, but, that no prophecy of scripture is of any private 'interpretation.'
There is much more, such as the availability of ancient manuscripts, accurately fulfilled prophecy, the life-changing power and influence of the Bible over the generations, etc.
Thet are ALL interpretions. Every translator is influenced by their own beliefs/values and the values and beliefs of the organizations who commissioned the translation/interpretation.
There are people who believe--rather, insist--that words spoken over 3,000 years ago holds the same meaning then as it does today. Rather laughable, actually.
We only need to look back at our own particular language over the last 50 years. How words and language was used, one needs a dictionary to understand the meaning today. A dictionary of this sort must start from a cultural understanding of the decade in which the words and associated definitions were used.
"The Devil made me do it." Taken completely out of context, our descendents a thousand years from now will probably understand this statement as being indicative that we were an extremely superstitious society, despite our technological advancement, who actually believed in the existence of a Devil.
"That's bad!" This will blow our descendents away for sure. The lexicon / dictionary will state that "bad" is the opposite of "good." Why our society should have used it to mean "really good" will be enough to cause divisions in the linguistics side of archaeology.
"Good buddy." Once a term when "everyone" was using CBs, it became a term for my same-sex companion.
"gay." "Now we don our gay apparell . . . " This line in a classic Christmas carol / melody cracks me up. Now that "gay" refers to homosexuality, I, in my perverted sense of humor, cannot stop from coming up with a mental picture of people dressing up in "drag" (another word that has changed meaning) for the Christmas holidays.
Bottom line:
The number one mistake of translators is not understanding the context and culture of the time of the writing.
The second mistake is believing in the myth that the Biblical stories represented history, and the time tables of when and where the mythological heroes and villains of the Biblical stories are equally fabricated.
The third mistake is the idea that the Biblical stories are "unique" from all other literary forms, when the opposite is completely true. The Biblical stories are of the same nature that all other contemporary literary stories were written, told, and performed.
A recent example of this is the story of Moses and Aaron challenging the priests of Pharaoh. In all of the translations of this episode, the staffs turned into snakes. However, a snake has no real place in Egyptian theology and would have not "terrorized" the populace. The snake is a Hebrew symbol. Rather, the now correct translation for "snake" is crocodile, a creature that had great significance in Egyptian religion and theology. Aaron's crocodile was so powerful that it ate all the Egyptian crocodiles.
Yet, for how many hundreds of years have we been led to believe that the staffs turned into snakes? Is it so important that the staffs were actually crocodiles rather than snakes?
Theologically, no: the bottom line was to show that Moses' god was a bigger god than all the gods of Egypt.
Literarily, yes: if we are going to tell a story, especially one that has to be translated from a different culture and/or language, then it should be as true to the original as possible.
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As far as being God's word, we have to realize the purpose for all these people (some 40 at last count, by some) for writing these stories, poems, et al down. And the last reason was to pass on some kind of revelation by a God-who-lives-upstairs. The number 1 and 2 reasons (order dependent on the reasoner) are to provide a theological ethnicity and background as well as an identifier of being a follower of a particular god.
Think about it for a moment: Would God really inspire a tome of non-historical people and events as a definitive word on what It wanted?
The underlying themes throughout the Bible have one thing in common: "we all fell down, and now God is giving us a second chance."
But the writers of the OT stories had no more clear idea of their past than we do of them today. And the NT writers are as guilty as we moderns are in believing that the OT stories held a whole lot of historical value--except as the theological values of "We're bad; God love us; We can't save ourselves from ourselves; and yet God has not abandoned us."
So, all the many Imans that call for the death of the cartoonist were "just bad people".
Yes they are bad people what else would you call them???
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