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I have never stated that the bible is Gods final message to humanity, but I believe it is a message to humanity. Its obvious to me that God cannot be limited, he speaks how and where he does, through whatever vechicle he chooses. I am not interested in playing God and choosing what vechicle people need to understand truth, the bible has satisfied me; its something I can get to, and need to get into more because thats my path; whats your path is for you.
The Christian Bible has absolutely no meaning for me, and is proof of nothing.
There is no such thing as a Christian bible, thats all in your mind. I can understand the bible having no meaning for you, it certainly has meaning for me.
What Christians refer to as the New Testament is the Christian Bible.
It is not part of the Bible, or, if you prefer, the Jewish Bible.
God is not a Christian, Jesus was not a Christian, none of the writers of the Old or New Testecment books were Christians, so explain to me why you think the bible is a Christian book? The original followers of Christ called themselves " The Way", the Romans came up with the name " Christian." And the followers later just kept the term.
Mickiel, what I think you need to know, is that Jews will only listen to "proofs" when discussing theology. And in order to bring a Jew a proof, you have to do it in a book the Jew recognizes as valid. The Chrstian bible is not valid to a Jew. It was written by men who had serious agendas against the Jews.
If you want to discuss Jesus, then find a passage in the jewish bible (I think you call it the OT) that references Jesus, and then you and Walter have a conversation. But since the "OT" makes no mention of Jesus, you can't use the bible. So sadly, I think you have no proofs to bring to the table. Just a bunch of shtus.
Mickiel, what I think you need to know, is that Jews will only listen to "proofs" when discussing theology. And in order to bring a Jew a proof, you have to do it in a book the Jew recognizes as valid. The Chrstian bible is not valid to a Jew. It was written by men who had serious agendas against the Jews.
If you want to discuss Jesus, then find a passage in the jewish bible (I think you call it the OT) that references Jesus, and then you and Walter have a conversation. But since the "OT" makes no mention of Jesus, you can't use the bible. So sadly, I think you have no proofs to bring to the table. Just a bunch of shtus.
I am not trying to prove anything, I am expressing myself here. I am not against a discussion with Walter or anyone, and the Old Testement does refer to Jesus, just not by name. This thread is not aimed at Jews, its a thread about something Jesus said that intrest me. I have been sidetracked from subject by others who want to discuss Jews. Because thats how they view things. I have no problem with that, and I have freely discussed whatever others bring up.
And I totally disagree that one needs a Jewish bible to discuss Jesus; not me. The bible is sufficent enough for me to discuss Jesus, and I am not limited to just that. I consider Jesus to be a fascinating figure in our history and our destiny.
and the Old Testement does refer to Jesus, just not by name.
Sorry, I just couldn't let that statement slide. Can you please give me one example?
(just a quick fyi, any example you give has been given tens of millions of times by your Chrstian ancestors over the last 1800 years, and has been refuted to be utter nonsense. But hey, why not try it again? Maybe this time you'll find actual proof).
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