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Okay, now I know not to take anything you say seriously.
....but why not?? How can you interpret what I mean unless you understand how my words should be interpreted....you know....just like you claim for your Bible.
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When did I say that?
In post #84. You said....
"I believe in Biblical inerrancy."
In other words you believe that everything in the Bible is true...hence the word 'inerrant'.
You follow this with ....
"This does not mean you have to take everything literally. There are things that are clearly symbolic i.e. Daniels prophecy's."
In other words you accept that there is allegory, symbolism and metaphor in the Bible (things that are not actually true and must not be taken literally).
You can't have something that is inerrant(true) yet contain things that are not true (allegory, symbolism and metaphor)
....but why not?? How can you interpret what I mean unless you understand how my words should be interpreted....you know....just like you claim for your Bible.
It's not "my Bible". I don't know who you think you are fooling by talking about secret codes and junk... continue if you want.
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Originally Posted by Rafius
In post #84. You said....
"I believe in Biblical inerrancy."
In other words you believe that everything in the Bible is true...hence the word 'inerrant'.
You follow this with ....
"This does not mean you have to take everything literally. There are things that are clearly symbolic i.e. Daniels prophecy's."
In other words you accept that there is allegory, symbolism and metaphor in the Bible (things that are not actually true and must not be taken literally).
You can't have something that is inerrant(true) yet contain things that are not true (allegory, symbolism and metaphor)
Symbolism and truth are not mutually exclusive friend. For example, Nebuchadnezzar had a dream and Daniel interpreted it. The fact that he had a dream is true and the symbolism in the dream was also true.
I've always thought it was intresting when it comes to people who say they can translate/interpret the bible. I've have a few Jewish friend's and even they will admit that they argue about the translations/ meaning of said words in the bible. So when I hear someone spouting how they know what said words mean I tend to call B.S.
It's not "my Bible". I don't know who you think you are fooling by talking about secret codes and junk... continue if you want.
Symbolism and truth are not mutually exclusive friend. For example, Nebuchadnezzar had a dream and Daniel interpreted it. The fact that he had a dream is true and the symbolism in the dream was also true.
The internal evidence of Daniel (1) suggest that the dream is NOT true and thus the symbolism is actually faulty, based on a msunderstanding of Media and Persia not being two successive empires.
Talking of symbolic or metaphorical truth is an evasion of the substantial doubts about the factuality of the bible. If the facts are not reliable, the metaphors and symbolism are even less so.
(1) that the history as regards the fall of Babylon is inaccurate but the history (disguised as prophecy, but can be matched to the event of the Ptolemaic/Selucid wars) suggests that the dream is more to do with raising Judean nationalistic sentiments than accurately recounting the history of Babylon's rulers.
I've always thought it was intresting when it comes to people who say they can translate/interpret the bible. I've have a few Jewish friend's and even they will admit that they argue about the translations/ meaning of said words in the bible. So when I hear someone spouting how they know what said words mean I tend to call B.S.
I know that many people say that they clearly understand the Bible, but, when it is approached from no assumptions and matching it to known history, so many questions and puzzles become quite simple and watching believers (who would never dream of questioning the basics) tying themselves in logical of metaphorical knots in trying to make the unworkable work (and that usually means in selecting odd bits rather than looking at the whole thing) becomes rather sad as well as amusing.
I recall one post where I explained the difference between the hebrew words for sphere and circle. It was startling but perhaps not unexpected that it was contemptuously swept aside as incomprehensible rubbish. The bottom line is that people have to be willing to listen before they can learn.
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