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This "assumption" of yours goes against why He said He died.
It's Christian ideology that claims Jesus died as a sacrifice for humankind, a really good way for selling a new religion. Neither of us, however, can prove anything. Then, we have the gospel and Paul based on guess who? Yes, the words of gospel authors and Paul without, of course, any evidence, just grandiose ideas about a fictitious salvation. You should do some research on the gospels. They really are phony.
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The Gospels make it perfectly clear who wanted Jesus dead, and it wasn't the Romans.
Prove the gospels are correct. Christians have used them to make Jews looked guilty. There were no Jews promoting a trial for Jesus, and there was no trial, just a vicious attack by a Roman soldier. What you can prove however are Jesus sayings. You'll not find narratives about Jesus in those other gospels, the ones church propagandist rejected. Mostly, you find Jesus sayings related to the NT gospels in The Gospel of Thomas. Those romantic stories about Jesus and his parents going to Egypt, his temptation with Satan, walking on water, etc. are fiction. All we can rely on are Jesus sayings also found in the other gospels.
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Yes, it is good that you understand this.
Since Jesus was God and not the son of God, there was no sacrificial lamb. It was all about Jesus (God) and a new relationship with his chosen people.
This "assumption" of yours goes against why He said He died.
The Gospels make it perfectly clear who wanted Jesus dead, and it wasn't the Romans.
Yes, it is good that you understand this.
They were also written at a time when Judea was reduced to ashes and there was a definite desire for Christians to separate themselves from the parent religion. The Jewish authority obviously wanted Jesus dead because he had the intentional to cause issues through his followers. The Jewish Authorities did nothing without the blessing of Rome, however. So if they wanted Jesus dead, so did the Romans. The idea of Pilate fighting for Jesus is quaint, but not within his character. He didn't give a fig about the Jews and certainly wasn't interested in amusing or placating them.
I might say that I checked back on this Talmud story (odd that no -one else did) and it does say 'forty years before' So that does place the date. It is perhaps understandable then that this story of rejection of sacrifices was seen by Christians (then, or more recently) as a sign of displeasure at the Jewish rejection of Christ.
I might say that I checked back on this Talmud story (odd that no -one else did) and it does say 'forty years before' So that does place the date. It is perhaps understandable then that this story of rejection of sacrifices was seen by Christians (then, or more recently) as a sign of displeasure at the Jewish rejection of Christ.
I read about that a long time ago, it has been around awhile...
I only came across it on the boards last year. I do recall that I checked out Simeon the righteous and he isn't in the lists of High Priests around the time of Jesus or the Jewish war, and there is a story about him meeting with Alexander who treated him with reverence and pretty much agreed to go easy on the Jews. So he looks to me like an invented figure doing invented stories, and I did think that one related to the coming Jewish war, though I was wrong that it wasn't dated to around 30 AD.
It is pretty amazing evidence. I looked over it before and thought it was some of the most profound evidence for Christ and His ministry since here we have evidence from Jewish sages that supports the claims of Christianity while simply making observations about the Temple. So this is information that would be coming from Anti-Christian faiths at the time. But not just anti-Christian but hostile anti-christian faiths at that time. So in affect we had those in opposition to Christ providing supporting evidence to his claim indirectly.
I've looked at the sites and it seems to be books that are written by authors and allegedly quoting the Talmud...Of course, Talmud is merely commentary on the Tanakh...And as such, opinion...But, I would actually get a hold on an actual Talmud and read it myself, kinda like for the reason many people take things from the bible out of context?...Considering that the Orthodox Jews regard the Rabbis with high honors and abide by their poskim, I would say that they would be adhering to this if it were actually true...Because, after all, the Talmud were written by Rabbis...
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