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And none of that would have happened if the couple had simply respected someone's religious beliefs, ya know, like people used to do.
It also wouldn't have happened if the business owner had followed the law. But let's blame the victim for thinking that a bakery which had sold cakes to the family before would be a good place to go to buy a cake. They should have read the mind of the owner even though there was no way for them to know that the baker randomly refused service to people who didn't fit his political goals.
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Do we even know for sure their addresses got posted?
Yes, those of us who have read the actual findings from the case do.
Should a black cake maker be forced to bake a cake emblazoned with the confederate flag for a KKK rally? Should a Jewish baker be forced to bake a cake with the Nazi flag on it for an Arian Brotherhood gathering?
I'm just testing to see if you guys truly believe what you're saying, or if it's just a bunch of intellectually dishonest garbage.
Your one word answer to the above questions, ( either a yes or no ) will tell me all I need to know.
Have you read any of the huge threads on this issue?
This has been answered about a zillion times.
Particularly the bigotry and hypocracy of the homosexual community not accepting religions people for who they are.
I am sure the homosexual community loves the sinners as they are. These business owners are being punished for their actions as a business, not for who they are or their religious beliefs. Love the sinner, hate the sin and so on.
Isn't that how the story is supposed to go - conservative extremists don't hate gay people, they just call their actions abominations and kick them out of their stores. But they still love them. Or some such.
No, the lesbian couple instigated the whole mess by making this a very public battle.
Really? When did the couple first post information in a public forum? Was it before or after the bakery owners posted the couples name and address on social media? Please be specific on the timeline here.
Should a black cake maker be forced to bake a cake emblazoned with the confederate flag for a KKK rally? Should a Jewish baker be forced to bake a cake with the Nazi flag on it for an Arian Brotherhood gathering?
I'm just testing to see if you guys truly believe what you're saying, or if it's just a bunch of intellectually dishonest garbage.
Your one word answer to the above questions, ( either a yes or no ) will tell me all I need to know.
The answer is NO. However the reason is critically important. The reason is that the confederate flag, the KKK, the Nazi flag, and the Arian Brotherhood are all things that are NOT protected by the non-discrimination law in Oregon. Things that ARE protected are race, sex, disability, national origin, age, religion, veteran status, and sexual orientation. (There may be other protected classes. I'm not conversant on Oregon law.) Not all states have added sexual orientation to their non-discrimination laws, and some of the classes are protected by federal statutes.
Almost 300 posts and still waiting for Jeff to condemn death threats made to the couple wanting to buy a cake. Am also still waiting for Jeff to retract his false statement that no one condemned the death threats that were made to the bakers.
Should a black cake maker be forced to bake a cake emblazoned with the confederate flag for a KKK rally? Should a Jewish baker be forced to bake a cake with the Nazi flag on it for an Arian Brotherhood gathering?
I'm just testing to see if you guys truly believe what you're saying, or if it's just a bunch of intellectually dishonest garbage.
Your one word answer to the above questions, ( either a yes or no ) will tell me all I need to know.
If you want to test someone's honesty ask an honest question. Your points have already been covered. Making a question and asking for aa yes or no but loading the question is not honest.
Should a black cake maker be forced to bake a cake emblazoned with the confederate flag for a KKK rally? Should a Jewish baker be forced to bake a cake with the Nazi flag on it for an Arian Brotherhood gathering?
If they don't sell cakes with these sorts of messages at all then there's no discriminating in not selling them to a particular group. And as you're probably aware the KKK and similar Christian groups aren't part of a protected class so it isn't really comparable to this case.
Any other questions? This is pretty well established case law so you could have just looked up the answer for yourself.
If that Dred Scott had "just followed the laws of his State", none of those problems would have happened.
And I got my information from the record of the "great" Supreme Court that affirmed it!!
It has been explained before...many times..."the law" is NOT a good arbiter!
Argue the concept...not the law relative to it. Laws mean squat! Otherwise Afghan men beating their wives half to death because they "disrespected" them, is totally cool....after all, it's "the law" there!
I agree, but we ALL must follow the law, even if we are fighting to get it changed. IF we break the law, we can be punished for doing so and we must be ready for that.
Like I have said before, I would be happy to get rid of all anti-discrimination laws as long as businesses are required to post who they will not serve on their doors, websites, and advertisements.
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