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Old 02-22-2016, 11:45 PM
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Location: Victoria, BC.
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Hmmm interesting.

If God is created by man, then man is created by who?

I tell you the problem in OP,

Something that was "created" cannot be God.

What makes God, a God is that he is not created.

Anything that is "created"'is a creation, and creation is not God.

So the entire argument goes out of the window when you say "God was created", because if it was "created" then it does not meet the definition of God.
Exactly...You have just said that god is nothing more than fiction.....I agree.
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Old 02-22-2016, 11:50 PM
 
Location: In a little house on the prairie - literally
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Evolution requires a level of belief. Unless you have a time machine where you can go back and see first hand how we transformed into humans from the beginning then it is still a belief that we were not created by God.
You really don't understand science, Jeff.

Mostly because you don't want to. So, tell me, would you go to a faith healer or a medical doctor if you had a serious ailment?
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Old 02-22-2016, 11:53 PM
 
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You really don't understand science, Jeff.

Mostly because you don't want to. So, tell me, would you go to a faith healer or a medical doctor if you had a serious ailment?
Scientifically illiterate Americans need to sit down and hush up or go to college and study science.
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Old 02-22-2016, 11:54 PM
 
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No need to muddy up the waters here. You know full well that it is common to associate abiogenesis with evolution and it's at the heart of an evolution debate. The mechanism that you define as evolution could have simply have been another defense mechanism from God to allow species to adapt to different environments. It's a far reach to tell me that I arrived from a primate ancestor simply from observing that moths have changed colors.

Jeff... get it through your skull.

Creation or abiogeneis or the start of life has absolutely nothing to with evolution. Nada. Nix. Nothing.

You fundies are the only ones who think it does. You just don't understand the science at all.
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Old 02-22-2016, 11:54 PM
 
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So we have observed in real time hominids transforming into human beings? Wow.
Showing off science illiteracy is not impressive.

You clearly have no understanding whatsoever about Evolution.
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Old 02-22-2016, 11:55 PM
 
Location: Dothan AL
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I expect we can all rise to this challenge.
That is simple. where does it say, in any text, "I wrote it, God"?
At least that would be a start
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Old 02-23-2016, 04:41 AM
 
Location: West Virginia
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Scientifically illiterate Americans need to sit down and hush up or go to college and study science.
I disagree. All that was necessary was to pass a high school biology class. I learned enough there (way back before DNA was invented) to understand the basic elements of evolution. No college science class was necessary to understand that.
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Old 02-23-2016, 08:47 AM
 
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You really don't understand science, Jeff.

Mostly because you don't want to. So, tell me, would you go to a faith healer or a medical doctor if you had a serious ailment?
Why not both? If God chooses not to heal me then that just means I get to go to heaven sooner. All of our bodies will eventually fail us one day.
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Old 02-23-2016, 08:51 AM
 
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Evolution requires a level of belief. Unless you have a time machine where you can go back and see first hand how we transformed into humans from the beginning then it is still a belief that we were not created by God.


Actually not true anymore in the days of genetics . We can track our ancestry from other primates genetically .
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Old 02-23-2016, 08:56 AM
 
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Showing off science illiteracy is not impressive.

You clearly have no understanding whatsoever about Evolution.
Then how about you tell me the flaws in my reasoning rather than just droning on about how ignorant I am. That accomplishes nothing.

The biggest problem that I see with evolution is that it has become such a big affront to Christianity that the scientists approach it very unscientific like. In other words, there is most likely a fear to dare to go against the masses and question or criticize any aspect of evolution

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The academic community is incredibly intolerant of anyone not paying loyalty to Darwinian ideas, and have no hesitation in railroading such an individual out of the community, having them fired, and making life generally miserable for such a person. So for a young person to let his professors know that he might be skeptical of Darwinism ... even such a mild disowning of the Darwinian point of view is considered so dangerous among many of the professional biologists that such a person is railroaded out of the profession.

Dr. Philip Skell

That doesn't sound like true science. True science should be open to ANY possibility including the one that God exists and Darwinian evolution is wrong.
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