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Old 07-26-2016, 07:17 PM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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Nope! In post #279 I said likely. I neither supported them as the authors, nor definitively ruled them out.

You are just so interested in this thing you aren't interested in...

This thing that just doesn't make a difference certainly appears to make a difference.
Likely makes no difference in your assertion. The bottom line is, you have no proof.
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Old 07-26-2016, 07:28 PM
 
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Likely makes no difference in your assertion. The bottom line is, you have no proof.
I'm sorry, if this is the criteria then the burden of proof is on you who initiated the Peter and John assertion and compared to my "likely," were much more definitive about it:

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Wrong. Reading them will show you they were written by Peter and John.
Were.

The bottom line is, you have no proof.

p.s. Yes, "likely" does make a difference, LOL. I don't have to "prove" something "likely" didn't happen. ROFL! Gosh. You're cute. This is adorable.
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Old 07-26-2016, 07:34 PM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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I'm sorry, if this is the criteria then the burden of proof is on you who initiated the Peter and John assertion and compared to my "likely," were much more definitive about it:



Were.

The bottom line is, you have no proof.

p.s. Yes, "likely" does make a difference, LOL. I don't have to "prove" something "likely" didn't happen. ROFL! Gosh. You're cute. This is adorable.
The letters and books list Peter and John as the writers. You said no. By what authority?
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Old 07-26-2016, 09:17 PM
 
Location: S. Wales.
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The same we all have - to come to conclusions on the best available evidence (someties those agreed by experts, to be sure) and to say so on that basis.

What you then do, if you hope to contest it, is to show that the evidence in fact points the other way. If you can't do that, then no other authority can save your logical position.
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Old 07-26-2016, 09:21 PM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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The same we all have - to come to conclusions on the best available evidence (someties those agreed by experts, to be sure) and to say so on that basis.

What you then do, if you hope to contest it, is to show that the evidence in fact points the other way. If you can't do that, then no other authority can save your logical position.
1 Peter 1

Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ,

To those who reside as aliens, scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, who are chosen 2 according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, by the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to obey Jesus Christ and be sprinkled with His blood: May grace and peace be yours in the fullest measure.
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Old 07-26-2016, 09:53 PM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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Nope! In post #279 I said likely. I neither supported them as the authors, nor definitively ruled them out.

You are just so interested in this thing you aren't interested in...

This thing that just doesn't make a difference certainly appears to make a difference.
Truth hurts jimmie.

He avoids it at all costs, hidden deep within the covers of his blankies - I mean, "holy book."
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Old 07-26-2016, 09:54 PM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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...snip...

The bottom line is, you have no proof.

p.s. Yes, "likely" does make a difference, LOL. I don't have to "prove" something "likely" didn't happen. ROFL! Gosh. You're cute. This is adorable.
I agree!

Don't you think he had chubby cheeks as a baby and everybody who saw him wanted to pinch them?

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Old 07-27-2016, 03:16 AM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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Not exactly, but nevertheless, how does that change anything?
It changes your positive, un-evidenced assertion into a 'claim'.
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Old 07-27-2016, 03:41 AM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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Likely makes no difference in your assertion. The bottom line is, you have no proof.
Nor do you. What we both have is evidence...of varying degrees of validity. We have the evidence of expert in history and dating and we also have the evidence that, in many cases, what the Bible says is true, actually isn't. You OTOH have....the Bible. A book that has been proven to be in so many cases. little more than fable, fiction and fraud.

Now, what shall we go with if we have any sense?

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Old 07-27-2016, 10:09 AM
 
Location: S. Wales.
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1 Peter 1

Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ,

To those who reside as aliens, scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, who are chosen 2 according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, by the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to obey Jesus Christ and be sprinkled with His blood: May grace and peace be yours in the fullest measure.
Yes, but ascribing a letter to Peter isn't the same as proving that it really was written by Peter. There is an entire gospel attributed to Peter, but hardly anyone believes that he really wrote it. I gather that the weight of scholarly opinion is that II Peter cannot have been written by him. Why should I Peter get a free pass to credibility? I have heard that none of the epistles from Philemon onwards are regarded as authentic.
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