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If you'd be so kind as to provide specific examples of what you're referring to, I'd be happy to address them.
Thank you, well to start in genesis 2, man is made fiirst followed by the plants and animals followed then by woman. In gen 1, plants+animals are made first followed by man and woman.
Thank you, well to start in genesis 2, man is made fiirst followed by the plants and animals followed then by woman. In gen 1, plants+animals are made first followed by man and woman.
Genesis 1 = overview; focused on general sequence of events. Plants were created on Day 3, before God created Adam on Day 6. This refers to plants and trees in general, forests & jungles, a global perspective.
Genesis 2 = specific; focused on Day 6 around the creation of Adam. Plants and herbs of the field, those needing tending by a human were not yet in place in Eden because Adam was not yet created. Once Adam was created then God planted the fields of the garden that Adam was to tend and placed him in it.
Genesis 1 = again, overview. Sea creatures and birds were created on Day 5 of creation week; land animals were created on Day 6, before Adam & Eve.
Genesis 2 = specific, focused on Adam and Eve and what was relevant to them. Once Adam was created and placed in the Garden of Eden, then God brought to Adam the animals He had formed or created to be named. Did Adam name every creature created? No. The bible tells us that Adam named birds of the sky, livestock and beasts of the field -- those animals he would have most contact and/or interaction with.
Genesis 1 - overview. On Day 6, after creating land animals, God made man; He made them male and female, a general statement.
Genesis 2 - specific to Adam and Eve. Gives more detailed information about the sequence of events on Day 6 as to how Adam was created first, before woman, yet after the land animals. Then Adam named the animals and realized that there were no other creatures like himself (IMO reinforcing to Adam he was a special creation, in the image of God, set apart from all other animals/creatures). Then God created Eve as a wife for Adam and sanctified marriage.
I hope this helps clarify my position ... Genesis 1 and 2 are complementary, not contradictory.
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Originally Posted by nickcopernicus
Nick:
I bet you deny the documentary Hypothesis.
Genesis 1 had a different author(s) then Genesis 2.
Cheers,
Nick
Yes, I do. Very astute of you Here's an article that addresses what I consider a defuct hypothesis Did Moses really write Genesis? (http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v20/i4/moses.asp - broken link)
IMO, part historical/part myth...
regardless, if you question it...them meanings of the words change to fit the situation.
Example:
7 days really means 1000 years? ok.
The explaination of how 1 man and 1 woman had sons, but yet populated the earth....
You get my meaning.
God's wisdom in a sacred secret, the hidden wisdom
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Since occult means "hidden", I'd say that there are some elements of the Bible that could technically be considered as such-the prophecies in Revelation, for example. I wouldn't consider every book to be such, though (or very much of the Bible).
Maybe because it’s so well hidden..
There are many references to the writing’s occult nature.. scattered thoughout the scriptures.. it gets mentioned quiet often..
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“To you it is granted to understand the sacred secrets of God, but for the rest it is in illustrations, in order that, though looking, they may look in vain and, though hearing they may not get the meaning. I publicly praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have carefully hidden these things from wise and intellectual ones, and have revealed them to babes.” - Jesus
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So.. maybe there’s something more.. hidden in the stories about Jesus.. and in his teachings...
Is that possible.. ?
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“…with a view to an accurate knowledge of the sacred secret of God, namely, Christ. Carefully concealed in him are all the treasures of wisdom and of knowledge.” - Paul
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Then.. what are all those ancient stories.. in the old testament really about.. along with the dreams.. and the visions.. ?
If we could interpret them all.. would we find some kind of consistent theme.. ?
Or do they seem like jumbled up accounts.. ?
If so.. what would happen if we un-jumbled them ?
And arranged them in order.. rather like doing a jigsaw puzzle.
What would the big picture really look like.. ?
What is the Bible really about.. ?
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And besides the fact that the congregator had become wise, he also taught the people knowledge continually, and he pondered and made a thorough search, that he might arrange many proverbs in order. The congregator sought to find the delightful words and the writing of correct words of truth.” - Ecclesiastes 12.9
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Could there be a hidden agenda.. that a casual reader wouldn’t even notice.. ?
A consistent agenda.. running throughout the entire book.. ?
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“And for you men the vision of everything becomes like the words of the book that has been sealed up, which they give to someone knowing the writing, saying: "Read this out loud, please," and he has to say: "I am unable for it is sealed up"; and the book must be given to someone that does not know writing, somebody saying: "Read this out loud, please," and he has to say: "I do not know writing at all." – Isaiah 29.9
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And.. in the Book of Revelation.. when the seven seals are opened..
What do they reveal.. ?
What is God’s sacred secret.. ?
Anyway.. thank you for a thoughtful response..
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“Now we speak wisdom among those who are mature, but not the wisdom of this system of things nor that of the rulers of this system of things, who are to come to nothing. But we speak God's wisdom in a sacred secret, the hidden wisdom, which God foreordained before this system of things for our glory. This wisdom not one of the rulers of this system of things came to know. For who among men knows the things of man except the spirit of man that is in him? So, too, no one has come to know the things of God, except the spirit of God.
Now we receive not the spirit of the world, but the spirit that is from God, that we might know the things that have been kindly given to us by God. These things we also speak, not with words taught by human wisdom, but with those taught by the spirit, as we combine spiritual matters with spiritual words.
But a physical man does not receive the things of the spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot get to know them, because they are examined spiritually. However, the spiritual man examines all things, but he himself is not examined by any man. For "who has come to know the mind of God, that he may instruct him?" But we do have the mind of Christ.”
1Corinthians 2:6
Maybe the passages above can give us some clues.
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Genesis 1 = overview; focused on general sequence of events. Plants were created on Day 3, before God created Adam on Day 6. This refers to plants and trees in general, forests & jungles, a global perspective.
Genesis 2 = specific; focused on Day 6 around the creation of Adam. Plants and herbs of the field, those needing tending by a human were not yet in place in Eden because Adam was not yet created. Once Adam was created then God planted the fields of the garden that Adam was to tend and placed him in it.
Genesis 1 = again, overview. Sea creatures and birds were created on Day 5 of creation week; land animals were created on Day 6, before Adam & Eve.
Genesis 2 = specific, focused on Adam and Eve and what was relevant to them. Once Adam was created and placed in the Garden of Eden, then God brought to Adam the animals He had formed or created to be named. Did Adam name every creature created? No. The bible tells us that Adam named birds of the sky, livestock and beasts of the field -- those animals he would have most contact and/or interaction with.
Genesis 1 - overview. On Day 6, after creating land animals, God made man; He made them male and female, a general statement.
Genesis 2 - specific to Adam and Eve. Gives more detailed information about the sequence of events on Day 6 as to how Adam was created first, before woman, yet after the land animals. Then Adam named the animals and realized that there were no other creatures like himself (IMO reinforcing to Adam he was a special creation, in the image of God, set apart from all other animals/creatures). Then God created Eve as a wife for Adam and sanctified marriage.
I hope this helps clarify my position ... Genesis 1 and 2 are complementary, not contradictory.
I believe the king James bible has been changed many times, most Christians would say it was changed to make it more understandable but this is not true.
As an example: the word satan was capitalized in the king james, this created satan as an individual which is not true. The original satan meant "one against god" or shatan... that could mean any person that was against god, but by capitalizing Satan, they personified there devil.
The devil's real name would be Beelzebub or bael, Some may say who cares about the correct name but this is just one example of the many many changes in the bible.
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I'd have to say that the Bible was written by people 2000 years ago using the only perspective they had to explain things they did not understand. It was meant to be a guide to living and a history of the times and much of it was written in allegory so that the common people would understand the lessons. Nothing more, nothing less.
I am only sure of the fact that if the Bible was a movie it would be R-rated* instead of just NC-17**.
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*An R-rated motion picture may include adult themes, adult activity, hard language, intense or persistent violence, sexually-oriented nudity, drug abuse or other elements, so that parents are counseled to take this rating very seriously. Children under 17 are not allowed to attend R-rated motion pictures unaccompanied by a parent or adult guardian.
**NC-17 does not mean “obscene” or “pornographic” in the common or legal meaning of those words, and should not be construed as a negative judgment in any sense. The rating simply signals that the content is appropriate only for an adult audience.
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Thank you, well to start in genesis 2, man is made fiirst followed by the plants and animals followed then by woman. In gen 1, plants+animals are made first followed by man and woman.
Here's an article that addresses what I consider a defuct hypothesis Did Moses really write Genesis? (http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v20/i4/moses.asp - broken link)
God's wisdom in a sacred secret, the hidden wisdom
If the Bible was a movie instead of just a book.
