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Old 04-30-2018, 09:22 PM
 
Location: Redding, Ca
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look34 your logic is flawed from the get go.
there is one God.
for all people.
we are all beloved children of the Creator who made us all.

you seem to not get that.

God is for everyone. like air.
still waiting for you to respond to post #23
I get it Tz. One God. The question is which God. ? Which God has revealed Himself as the true God?

To a believer, in the unknown god, has read a book but doesn't know the author.

To a believer who has read the book about it's author well knows who He is.

Both are believers yet only one knows who his God is.

Now, common sense should make one Wonder and to seek answers. A conviction of the conscience.

Blessings,AJ
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Old 04-30-2018, 09:44 PM
 
Location: Redding, Ca
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Spontaneous combustion.
The word "Spontaneous" action is not without substance.
The universe, our world, the plants, the animals, the micro universe did not just happen without an author.
Looking at the beauty of it all, the organization of it all, the complexity of it all should excite one to wonder.

Common sense, common to all souls, an igrediant of the conscience giving us a moral guidenence to our choice options.
Now notice I didn't mention the Word God.
Well, than, from where did we get this conscience that will guide us in choice options.?

Blessings, AJ
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Old 04-30-2018, 09:46 PM
 
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Spontaneous combustion.
The word "Spontaneous" action is not without substance.
The universe, our world, the plants, the animals, the micro universe did not just happen without an author.
Looking at the beauty of it all, the organization of it all, the complexity of it all should excite one to wonder.

Common sense, common to all souls, an igrediant of the conscience giving us a moral guidenence to our choice options.
Now notice I didn't mention the Word God.
Well, than, from where did we get this conscience that will guide us in choice options.?

Blessings, AJ
So what is it that you have done for "Jewish God" so far?
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Old 04-30-2018, 09:47 PM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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Old 04-30-2018, 10:43 PM
 
Location: Redding, Ca
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So what is it that you have done for "Jewish God" so far?
The Jewish God, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Joseph has revealed who the God of the universe is, should one go with that option.

Have you any clue who might be the author of all there is?

If, you don't believe in the words in the Bible about the Jewish God than what do you believe in?

Blessings AJ
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Old 04-30-2018, 11:16 PM
 
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Common sense belief …….in God

As a Gentile, meaning a non-Jew, I have not been chosen or given a law or specific location on planet earth to call my own. In that respect, I represent what the rest of humanity is in the world.
The only thing the Gentiles have in common with the Jews is a conscience towards a known God (Jewish God) to the Jews and an unknown god (Trees, Sun, Moon, god of the harvest…. the list goes on) to the Gentiles.

The Jews needed a sign to believe where as the Gentiles need none. Why such a disparity? I mean ……aren’t we all human beings with intelligence? Made of the same lump of clay…. earth?

Unless, as the saying goes… “To whom much is given, much is required”, is a key to the answer to the disparity.

So, for a Gentile who has no known god has no science proving there is a God. So, what if, a Gentile decides to look into the Jewish Gods claim of authenticity?

How can a Gentile accept such a claim that science can not otherwise prove the existence of a god?
Does a Gentile need a sign? NO! But, by the mere facts of things already existing in this world, by the intelligent design of not only the things on earth but also the organized, methodical, operation of the cosmos. I.e. The undying Sun by day, the guiding light , Moon, by night, the stars for navigation… the list goes on.

Surely… there must be a God. (Note: special emphasis on upper case letters to lower case letters in this post)

Since Science can not prove there is a God, we must conclude than (by common reasoning) that there must be something to the Jewish God that may hold the answer to our querying.

After all, we have a story of human beginnings, human behavioral limits all because there was A GOD that created it all. Now, that makes sense to me, a Gentile, so I’m interested.

I learn somethings that if I decide to believe in the Jewish God I have to accept it by faith and not by sign.
I also find that I, a Gentile without a known god, can know of a known God simply and only by faith alone. That to me would be a gift, free from any ties that Binds my curiosity to the unknown gods, that would otherwise, hold me in prison of an unanswerable QUERY.

So again, if I choose, by faith alone, to believe in the Jewish Messiah claims of my being accepted into the Jewish Gods Kingdom in the afterlife…. that would be a first.

So, the saying now make sense, even though it may have a wide range of applications, but in my case it is that “The first shall be last and the last shall be first”.

Makes sense that can easily be accepted. I , not being chosen (like the Jews) am first to believe in the Jewish Gods Messiah for their God promising me, not only an explanation of my beginnings, the reasons for my fallen state, but more like…. Tank you Jesus for rescuing me. (Hope restored)

Second place goes to the chosen for yet, to this day, need a sign in order to exercise faith in their Messiah as their true God.

Again, common sense tells me that their plight is my salvation therefore, they too will, by their own destiny become like as I am, saved by faith alone and not by all the required practices.

I believe, that for simplicity, that God, worked it all out for all our benefits, but each in its due time.
What does all this do to all the worlds religions and to those who refuse to believe in God?

Very simple……. Love! If, you love your neighbor you will love God. If you love God you will love your neighbor regardless of any stated religious (Religions) or none religious beliefs.

There would be no wars if, love was exercised, no killings, murders, stealing’s, hatred, greediness but purely giving of oneself, sharing ones possessions because it would be a God kind of love.
So, there neighbor, what have you to say bout that?

Blessings, AJ
I loved my neighbour, but her Creator tried to destroyed me.
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Old 04-30-2018, 11:18 PM
 
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And if there was God, does he approve of the credit card interest rates??
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Old 05-01-2018, 02:29 AM
 
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I get it Tz. One God. The question is which God. ? Which God has revealed Himself as the true God?
Not one single god of ANY kind has revealed himself to be the "one true god."

Nope, not a one.

Oh sure, believers in every deity-centric religion will try to tell you that *their* god is the only true god, yet, if a god had revealed himself, why are there still multiple deities -- and multiple versions of the same deity -- still being worshiped?

If there ever was a "one true god" that gave a whit about humanity, a god who cared about each individual's ultimate fate, we would KNOW which god to believe in -- and we would ALL believe in the same god.

It would be so ridiculously clear that even we atheists -- yes, even the militant ones -- would be on our knees right now, engaged in prayer and supplication rather than in skepticism and doubt.

But that's not how it is ... is it. Of course not.

Because there is no such thing as a "one true god" and not one single deity of any kind has ever revealed himself as even existing -- much less as being the "one true god."

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Now, common sense should make one Wonder and to seek answers. A conviction of the conscience.
Truth be told, common sense should lead all seekers of truth to the very same conclusions we atheists have reached.

Trouble is: Religion isn't about common sense. It never has been.

Religion is about people seeking magical explanations that *stand* for the Truth -- without actually *being* the Truth.
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Old 05-01-2018, 04:45 AM
 
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I get it Tz. One God. The question is which God. ? Which God has revealed Himself as the true God?

To a believer, in the unknown god, has read a book but doesn't know the author.

To a believer who has read the book about it's author well knows who He is.

Both are believers yet only one knows who his God is.

Now, common sense should make one Wonder and to seek answers. A conviction of the conscience.
No you don't get it.
You are saying which air is the true air.
And I will point out again how that lacks common sense.

You talk at people.
You don't listen to people and you don't hear what they are saying.

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Old 05-01-2018, 04:55 AM
 
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I get it Tz. One God. The question is which God...
See you don't get it.
Because if you did there would be no asking "which"

And that is what does not make sense.
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