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The Faith you refer to is simpler than your complex requirement to believe a lot of specific things ABOUT Jesus and God. It has nothing to do with those "precepts and doctrines of men." It is simply to have Faith that Jesus did what He said He did and we are reconciled to God by love.
The Faith you refer to is simpler than your complex requirement to believe a lot of specific things ABOUT Jesus and God. It has nothing to do with those "precepts and doctrines of men." It is simply to have Faith that Jesus did what He said He did and we are reconciled to God by love.
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Originally Posted by jimmiej
What complex requirement?
to believe a lot of specific things ABOUT Jesus and God.
to believe a lot of specific things ABOUT Jesus and God.
I was hoping you would define that ^^^
Nevertheless, here’s what I believe.
Romans 10
“If you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes in Him will not be disappointed.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him; 13 for “Whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
“If you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes in Him will not be disappointed.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him; 13 for “Whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
You keep trying to make our salvation conditional and dependent upon what WE do or think or believe, but it is NOT! Our salvation is ALL Jesus. We have nothing to do with it.
You keep trying to make our salvation conditional and dependent upon what WE do or think or believe, but it is NOT! Our salvation is ALL Jesus. We have nothing to do with it.
I judge the belief by the person. I have known so many people in these kinds of churches. They are jerks. That's the nicest word I can use. I've also met a lot of their immediate family members. It's got to be something genetic. A cycle of emotional abuse or something which they have not yet gotten rid of. They are arrogant and treat people horribly. I've been astonished sometimes at the way they treat wait staff and customer service people. All I can think of is that they are so full of "junk" inside that they project that onto everyone else. They assume everyone is as messed up inside as they are. They even project these horrible qualities on God and Jesus.
Yes, but NOT a bunch of "precepts and doctrines of men." We simply need to believe and have faith that Jesus did what He said He did and follow His instructions to love God and each other every day and repent when we don't.
Envy does make some apes want to hurt/oppress other apes.
But I think that religious thinking adds the connotation of group-consequence fear in order to legitimize itself by appealing to feelings.
"the gods will quake the earth!"
Oh I forgot to add: "but they have longstanding patience, until their wrath."
Which happens to make their actions too conviniently indistinguishable from random chance.
I'm guessing he has some sort KJV Bibliolateristic Fundamentalism in mind. Likely the one version of "complex requirement" Christianity he has been exposed to the most.
But even my KJV Fundamentalists kept parroting the marketing mantra: "all you need is Jesus" and "convert now, Christianity is freer/simpler than other religions" but what they actually meant was "you need the KJV and our interpretation of it" and also "convert now, your money needs to go to us."
Money is what truly has the deep faith of world religions and even new cults right now.
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for “Whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved.” ~Paul
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"Many will call on my name [and even have supposed supernatural powers like exorcizing demons out of people and healing them in my name,] but I will look to many of them and say, 'depart from me, ye doer of inequity [to the poor and oppressed, etc], I never knew you.' ...So for the hypocrites and half-hearted name-calling cronies, there will be a fire" ~Jesus
So Paul is said to write: Namology, Namology! Faithful cronyism! The religion is simple!
And Jesus is quoted: Hell nah! [Namology is nothing but air! A faithful friend pays more than prayers!] I think we all know who won more converts to the "Jesus is the Jewish Messiah" idea in their lifetime.
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I judge the belief by the person. I have known so many people in these kinds of churches. They are jerks. That's the nicest word I can use. I've also met a lot of their immediate family members. It's got to be something genetic. A cycle of emotional abuse or something which they have not yet gotten rid of. They are arrogant and treat people horribly. I've been astonished sometimes at the way they treat wait staff and customer service people. All I can think of is that they are so full of "junk" inside that they project that onto everyone else. They assume everyone is as messed up inside as they are. They even project these horrible qualities on God and Jesus.
I think people all have "basic goodness" inside them (a social nature as other social animals), but they also have other "basic instincts" such as lashing out when they are in a bad mood. And telling each other that the world is garbage and that they are undeserving wrongdoers who should be perfect if they really believed in Jesus and had been born again (therefore telling them that their immortality is in jeopardy by their very human nature), or worse than that, telling them that their actions don't matter as long as they put some character named Jesus on their mind as perfect and having already chosen to save them, probably puts them in a very bad/selfish mood when they venture outside the ivory towers.
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