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Old 10-11-2018, 07:43 PM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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Good point. If someone has to threaten you, then whatever they are selling is probably lousy.

The use of threats is how I know that the message being promoted is false.
What is the true message?
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Old 10-11-2018, 07:47 PM
 
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What is the true message?
There is no message. People have the spirit inside of them.

The original sin probably had to do with people thinking that they possessed special knowledge of good and evil. Religious people thought that they could tell other people God's message via the Old Testament laws. This basically happens anytime one person tries to determine the morality for his neighbor. That is the original sin. Trying to control other people.
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Old 10-11-2018, 07:50 PM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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What is the true message?
The true message for fundies is: "It's okay to be a crappy human being because Jesus."

Weak-kneed, dark-spirited, bigoted cowards, the lot of 'em.
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Old 10-11-2018, 08:06 PM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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There is no message. People have the spirit inside of them.

The original sin probably had to do with people thinking that they possessed special knowledge of good and evil. Religious people thought that they could tell other people God's message via the Old Testament laws. This basically happens anytime one person tries to determine the morality for his neighbor. That is the original sin. Trying to control other people.
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Old 10-11-2018, 08:17 PM
 
Location: minnesota
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There is no message. People have the spirit inside of them.

The original sin probably had to do with people thinking that they possessed special knowledge of good and evil. Religious people thought that they could tell other people God's message via the Old Testament laws. This basically happens anytime one person tries to determine the morality for his neighbor. That is the original sin. Trying to control other people.
I agree. The original sin seems to me like telling someone they are sick so they can make you dependent on the cure. Only they medicine they give you is what actually makes the person sick. I used to think when I was under the influence I was reading the Bible and hearing the voice of judgment and when I read it without the influence I heard the voice of Grace. Now I lean more toward reading it as a slave and reading it as a free woman.
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Old 10-11-2018, 09:25 PM
 
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Honestly, I don't understand why religious people have a need for a human institution which has all the answers about God. Ultimately you are the one personally who determines whether than institution (Christianity) is correct or not. And since that idea probably doesn't make sense to you, that tells me that the institution can't possibly be true. It's simple reasoning.
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Old 10-12-2018, 02:36 PM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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Honestly, I don't understand why religious people have a need for a human institution which has all the answers about God. Ultimately you are the one personally who determines whether than institution (Christianity) is correct or not. And since that idea probably doesn't make sense to you, that tells me that the institution can't possibly be true. It's simple reasoning.
The church is not a human institution. It was established by Christ, for the purposes of worship, study, ministry, fellowship and edification. I can’t understand why a Christian would not want to gather with other Christians.
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Old 10-12-2018, 02:45 PM
 
Location: minnesota
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The church is not a human institution. It was established by Christ, for the purposes of worship, study, ministry, fellowship and edification. I can’t understand why a Christian would not want to gather with other Christians.
Hey Jimmie! You sound just like a Jehovah's Witness. Man didn't set up the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania, Jehovah did! You crack me up.
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Old 10-12-2018, 02:55 PM
 
Location: S. Wales.
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Honestly, I don't understand why religious people have a need for a human institution which has all the answers about God. Ultimately you are the one personally who determines whether than institution (Christianity) is correct or not. And since that idea probably doesn't make sense to you, that tells me that the institution can't possibly be true. It's simple reasoning.
There may be a god. It may be possible to contact that god. We atheists can't disprove that. We can be sure that no one man -made church is the Right one.

I rather suspect that the figure of Jesus might interest you more than it would the average "None", though.
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Old 10-12-2018, 03:13 PM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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Hey Jimmie! You sound just like a Jehovah's Witness. Man didn't set up the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania, Jehovah did! You crack me up.
I don’t deny that man set up denominations, but Jesus established the church in general.
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