If religion made sense (atheist, bible, quote, faith)
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Good post you're aruing the point as best you can and friend, there is a shortage of that from the Opposition these days.
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Originally Posted by hd4me
Yes I understand your point. However, the point Jesus made is different. For example, Jesus had siblings but none showed up during his execution. However, fellow believers did show up and he could entrust his "mum" to them. The point? When the physical family fails the spiritual family remains.
That won't do. Even though the family wasn't around (according to the gospels) Jesus could ask whoever was around (Arimathea, Nicodemus, Lazarus) to see that his brother James and the the family looked after Mary. That John took her into his own house..let me check..Yes. Jesus gave' his mother to John as family. It makes no sense other than (I suggest) symbolically taking his message and mission from Judaism and handing it over to Gentile Christianity.
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Only to those who see science and religious faith as competitors. Men of faith have contributed much towards our understanding of the natural world. Obviously, no conflict for them.
There isn't - provided you keep them separate. The discoveries - even by men of Faith - were done as scientists, not as believers. Even if they saw it as part of God's handiwork. The problem comes where science gets fiddled to suit the requirements of faith. Admittedly this is done in a pseudo-science context (Creationism) and the believers who do valid science see that the faith doesn't compromise the science. The problem for them is that it can upset the claims of Faith.
Lemaitre the priest who discovered the expanding universe saw it as evidence of creation, but it turned out to be rather a natural alternative to it. DNA was (perhaps) held up by some scientists even in thefield (or so it is claimed) as evidence for ID. But in the end, it wasn't.
Bittom line - science whether done by believers or not does not support the religious faith -claims - unless fiddled.
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Ok, we have a reasonable expectation that science correctly explains the physical world but it's reach is limited to just that. Some "theists" like myself trust science to explain the physical world but we don't entrust science with salvation. No conflict between religious faith and science for us because we recognize they answer different questions.
That's more a question of logic. Science is logically correct to not claim to know the unknown. Religion claims to know unknowns with no better evidence than faith. Now Religion indeed has been very happy to keep religious claims separate from science, even though it can't stop itself being refuted on the claims that Can be checked (age of the earth, the date of the nativity, etc) despite its' best efforts to fiddle the evidence. But I think science is not only closing the gaps for God that GodFaith thought were safe (Origins of the universe, life and consciousness) but I think that science will be able to take over those areas that religion thought science could never go, such as morality, human spirituality and Faith itself which (now that evolved instinct is linked to DNA) is better understood in terms of evolutionary biology than any Divine Being.
Good post you're aruing the point as best you can and friend, there is a shortage of that from the Opposition these days.
That won't do. Even though the family wasn't around (according to the gospels) Jesus could ask whoever was around (Arimathea, Nicodemus, Lazarus) to see that his brother James and the the family looked after Mary. That John took her into his own house..let me check..Yes. Jesus gave' his mother to John as family. It makes no sense other than (I suggest) symbolically taking his message and mission from Judaism and handing it over to Gentile Christianity.
There isn't - provided you keep them separate. The discoveries - even by men of Faith - were done as scientists, not as believers. Even if they saw it as part of God's handiwork. The problem comes where science gets fiddled to suit the requirements of faith. Admittedly this is done in a pseudo-science context (Creationism) and the believers who do valid science see that the faith doesn't compromise the science. The problem for them is that it can upset the claims of Faith.
Lemaitre the priest who discovered the expanding universe saw it as evidence of creation, but it turned out to be rather a natural alternative to it. DNA was (perhaps) held up by some scientists even in thefield (or so it is claimed) as evidence for ID. But in the end, it wasn't.
Bittom line - science whether done by believers or not does not support the religious faith -claims - unless fiddled.
That's more a question of logic. Science is logically correct to not claim to know the unknown. Religion claims to know unknowns with no better evidence than faith. Now Religion indeed has been very happy to keep religious claims separate from science, even though it can't stop itself being refuted on the claims that Can be checked (age of the earth, the date of the nativity, etc) despite its' best efforts to fiddle the evidence. But I think science is not only closing the gaps for God that GodFaith thought were safe (Origins of the universe, life and consciousness) but I think that science will be able to take over those areas that religion thought science could never go, such as morality, human spirituality and Faith itself which (now that evolved instinct is linked to DNA) is better understood in terms of evolutionary biology than any Divine Being.
Science is nothing more than the study of the creation itself, nothing more. Mankind seeks to understand things in his tiny little pea shaped brain. So I ask you what science? The corporate science of corporations or real science? Did you even know that two different science explanations exist.
I choose to study the creator God, Jesus Christ. You can study the creation all you like. Let me know what you find.
Science is nothing more than the study of the creation itself, nothing more. Mankind seeks to understand things in his tiny little pea shaped brain. So I ask you what science? The corporate science of corporations or real science? Did you even know that two different science explanations exist.
I choose to study the creator God, Jesus Christ. You can study the creation all you like. Let me know what you find.
I assume you are part of creation, so why should we listen to you, with your tiny, little pea shaped brain?
Why can others find evidence of faith but not you? To you that is subjective experience. The whole of life is a subjective experience. Your missing out on not finding Jesus Christ. If you know Christ you would understand. You do not so you seek to create whatever subjective experience says their is no God. Try to find him before death comes. Death itself is a subjective experience.
You could even say the folks suffering in hell are having a subjective experience.
Your logic is weak, try again.
I found a God, just not the one described in the Christian Bible. This is my subjective truth that MY God is true to me, same as your God is true to you. We both believe on faith, not evidence. When you find some objective truth that your religion is the one true faith let me know.
nice one. Juicy -sweet. Let me savour each segment individually.
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Originally Posted by Faithfullizhe
Science is nothing more than the study of the creation itself, nothing more.
Sure. And so far as it shows is the creation of natural forces and procedures, nothing more.
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Mankind seeks to understand things in his tiny little pea shaped brain.
And they have been able to get to the edge and start of so much of the universe and the tiniest depths of matter/energy. Not bad going for pea -brains, and a damn' sight better than the debunked faith claims of the religious.
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So I ask you what science? The corporate science of corporations or real science?
Real science, if you mean by that, consensus -agreed, verified and published science rather than some advertising -claim with a lab -coat on, which is only somewhat more valid than ID claims in at least doing Some research.
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Did you even know that two different science explanations exist.
More than that. Science thrives on questioning and doubting in order to get the best explanation. Religion thrives on insisting it is right and dismissing any doubts and questions. That's why science debunks it so often. Did you know that there are Many religions, but only one science?
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I choose to study the creator God, Jesus Christ. You can study the creation all you like. Let me know what you find.
I'll tell you right now - that there is no valid reason to believe the god -claim, never mind the (Bible) -God claim, and the (Gospel) Jesus even less, even if there was an actual Jesus.
I luv it here.
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Science is nothing more than the study of the creation itself, nothing more. Mankind seeks to understand things in his tiny little pea shaped brain. So I ask you what science? The corporate science of corporations or real science? Did you even know that two different science explanations exist.
I choose to study the creator God, Jesus Christ. You can study the creation all you like. Let me know what you find.
Good luck to you and your "pea shaped brain".
BTW, when corporate science develops a vaccine or better chemicals or fuels etc., that is real science.
I choose to study the creator God, Jesus Christ. You can study the creation all you like. Let me know what you find.
Well , so far , a ton of stuff. How to cure diseases that prayer never could, how the basics of the universe works, how we evolved ( creationism fails the genetics test miserably) , how to visit other worlds , how volcanos are not wrathful gods wanting sacrifices , how dinosaurs really existed and aren't fake fossils planted by Satan to fool the faithful, how to punch buttons on a plastic machine and have your words come out on other people's plastic machines on the other side of the world , and so on.
We have found quite a bit, actually
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you're aruing the point as best you can and friend, there is a shortage of that from the Opposition these days. 
nice one. Juicy -sweet. Let me savour each segment individually.
Science thrives on questioning and doubting in order to get the best explanation. Religion thrives on insisting it is right and dismissing any doubts and questions. That's why science debunks it so often. Did you know that there are Many religions, but only one science?
I luv it here.
