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Old 02-16-2019, 01:10 PM
 
Location: S. Wales.
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yeah, our team doesn't do that You know, to keep that "springboard" that our team so clearly understands from public eyes.
The springboard is clearly and regularly explained to the public, evey time 'First cause' looks like being equated with Biblegod.

And you are not on 'our team'.
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Old 02-16-2019, 01:11 PM
 
Location: S. Wales.
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What’s the difference between atheism and ‘strong atheism’? (Sorry, I wasn’t clear - which just can’t be differentiated by atheism or agnosticism rather than adding ‘strong’ or ‘very’).
I'm never quite sure about that myself. I prefer to say 'believe - or not'. Atheist or theist.
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Old 02-16-2019, 01:30 PM
 
Location: Florida
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What’s the difference between atheism and ‘strong atheism’? (Sorry, I wasn’t clear - which just can’t be differentiated by atheism or agnosticism rather than adding ‘strong’ or ‘very’).
To my way of thinking, an agnostic could very well give 50 % credence to either side

An atheist might weigh the odds in whatever degree towards atheism,depending on how much doubt they have in their conviction.

A 'strong" atheist ( as I am ) only allows the smallest percentage simply because of the intellectual reason that we can't prove otherwise.
There are, of course, some that are adamant about allowing no doubt for any reason but they'll have to answer for themselves
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Old 02-16-2019, 01:59 PM
 
Location: SF/Mill Valley
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To my way of thinking, an agnostic could very well give 50 % credence to either side

An atheist might weigh the odds in whatever degree towards atheism,depending on how much doubt they have in their conviction.

A 'strong" atheist ( as I am ) only allows the smallest percentage simply because of the intellectual reason that we can't prove otherwise.
There are, of course, some that are adamant about allowing no doubt for any reason but they'll have to answer for themselves
An agnostic simply believes it is unknowable(the definition alone is not based on doubt - as that would suggest there is something to believe). An atheist does not believe in God. So the concept of a ‘strong’ atheist vs. a ‘regular’ atheist is superfluous (to me at least). Someone is an atheist - or they aren’t, it’s a finite definition.
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Old 02-16-2019, 02:07 PM
 
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An agnostic simply believes it is unknowable(the definition alone is not based on doubt - as that would suggest there is something to believe). An atheist does not believe in God. So the concept of a ‘strong’ atheist vs. a ‘regular’ atheist is superfluous (to me at least). Someone is an atheist - or they aren’t, it’s a finite definition.
The atheists in the forum have been spending virtually all their efforts in refuting your black and white definition of atheism because they need to avoid providing proof or evidence of their default assumption of "No God."
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Old 02-16-2019, 02:18 PM
 
Location: SF/Mill Valley
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The atheists in the forum have been spending virtually all their efforts in refuting your black and white definition of atheism because they need to avoid providing proof or evidence of their default assumption of "No God."
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Old 02-16-2019, 02:19 PM
 
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The springboard is clearly and regularly explained to the public, evey time 'First cause' looks like being equated with Biblegod.

And you are not on 'our team'.
lmao ... yeah, whatever you say.

in terms of atheism I am on your team. You, like fundy-think-types do, think you guys have the real definition and all us others are not real "insert whatever". not real americans, not real liberals, not real conservatives, not real atheist, or not real whatever. all because we don't blindly follow your central dogma.

But I would say that I am not on your anti-religious socialist team. Infact, we pay good money to keep a standing army to protect ourselves from your sect of atheism.
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Old 02-16-2019, 02:24 PM
 
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The atheists in the forum have been spending virtually all their efforts in refuting your black and white definition of atheism because they need to avoid providing proof or evidence of their default assumption of "No God."
well, as you know, the fundy think type atheist doesn't approve of anything that doesn't strictly follow their central dogma.

what central dogma?

que in trans speech about "some of us feel religion is so dangerous we ...".
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Old 02-16-2019, 02:49 PM
 
Location: West Virginia
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The atheists in the forum have been spending virtually all their efforts in refuting your black and white definition of atheism because they need to avoid providing proof or evidence of their default assumption of "No God."
That "no evidence" thing is precisely the reason they say the default position is "No God." Since Atheism is a negative position and you can't prove a negative, there is nothing to prove about Atheism.

I thought you understood that.
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Old 02-16-2019, 04:02 PM
 
Location: SF/Mill Valley
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A 'strong" atheist ( as I am ) only allows the smallest percentage simply because of the intellectual reason that we can't prove otherwise.
There are, of course, some that are adamant about allowing no doubt for any reason but they'll have to answer for themselves
There are no ‘percentages’ in the definition of an atheist. One is an atheist - or one is not. It’s like a woman saying she is ‘20%’ pregnant - lol.
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