What's the punishment for those who've commited suicide in christinity?

[The Last Amalekite 1Sam15]

Originally Posted by BaptistFundie

Is that bad? If so, why? By what standard are you able to declare it as bad? Unless you have an objective standard it's only an opinion.

Do you consider yourself a prophet of god BaptistFundie?

[phetaroi]

Originally Posted by BaptistFundie

Post 107 you whined that I suggested you can't have an opinion. I've certainly never said that, so I was only clarifying my position.

No, that's not what I asked.

You stated: "But please don't act like it's established fact". I want to see where in this "mini-discussion" I said something was established fact.

All I said was: "I have yet to see a christian answer that question". And I have not. Maybe others have. I have not.

[snj90]

Originally Posted by The Last Amalekite 1Sam15

You worship a god that kills babies.

Why?

Because He is the Spirit of eternity, the Creator of all things, and it is lawful for Him to do what He will with His own creation. And because He loves me and has paid it all to save me and to make me His own possession so that I am without blame before Him in love. And it is man that is in the dock to be judged, not Him. Shall the thing formed presume to judge the One Who formed it? What foolishness! He is omnipotent and will punish all His enemies forever.

All pleasures in this life are fading away fast (which are corrupt, and which you have to work for). But mine will last forever, and are given to me freely! It is my Father's good pleasure to give me the kingdom!

[BaptistFundie]

Originally Posted by phetaroi

No, that's not what I asked.

You stated: "But please don't act like it's established fact". I want to see where in this "mini-discussion" I said something was established fact.

I did not suggest you had done that, or at least I wasn't referring to a specific instance.

All I said was: "I have yet to see a christian answer that question". And I have not. Maybe others have. I have not.

meh. ok.

[Bungalove]

Originally Posted by snj90

Because He is Spirit of eternity, the Creator of all things, and it is lawful for Him to do what He will with His own creation. And because He loves me and has paid it all to save me and to make me His own possession so that I am without blame before Him in love. And it is man that is in the dock to be judged, not Him. Shall the thing formed presume to judge the One Who formed it? What foolishness! He is omnipotent and will punish all His enemies forever.

All pleasures in this life are fading away fast (which are corrupt, and which you have to work for). But mine will last forever, and are given to me freely! It is my Father's good pleasure to give me the kingdom!

"Enemies"? So those who aren't Christian are "enemies" of the Almighty? I guess that means a lot of people will be SOL when they die, according to that particular POV. Personally, I don't understand the concept of the Almighty having created a flawed mankind in the first place and then having to "save" it from its inherent tendencies. If G-d gave us free will, then he knew some people would choose to do the wrong thing. We should atone for our sins to each other and Him and as our Creator he should forgive us, knowing that we are flawed in the first place. No other atonement or sacrifice is, or was, necessary.

[TroutDude]

Originally Posted by snj90

Because He is the Spirit of eternity, the Creator of all things, and it is lawful for Him to do what He will with His own creation. And because He loves me and has paid it all to save me and to make me His own possession so that I am without blame before Him in love. And it is man that is in the dock to be judged, not Him. Shall the thing formed presume to judge the One Who formed it? What foolishness! He is omnipotent and will punish all His enemies forever.

All pleasures in this life are fading away fast (which are corrupt, and which you have to work for). But mine will last forever, and are given to me freely! It is my Father's good pleasure to give me the kingdom!

In other words: Stockholm Syndrome.

[TRANSPONDER]

Originally Posted by snj90

Because He is the Spirit of eternity, the Creator of all things, and it is lawful for Him to do what He will with His own creation. And because He loves me and has paid it all to save me and to make me His own possession so that I am without blame before Him in love. And it is man that is in the dock to be judged, not Him. Shall the thing formed presume to judge the One Who formed it? What foolishness! He is omnipotent and will punish all His enemies forever.

All pleasures in this life are fading away fast (which are corrupt, and which you have to work for). But mine will last forever, and are given to me freely! It is my Father's good pleasure to give me the kingdom!

Time for the old book of translation again:

"God can do whatever he likes."

But more, it's Good and "Love" no matter how bad it is, because He's God (1).

It's revolting.

Originally Posted by TroutDude

In other words: Stockholm Syndrome.

It's worse than that, because they aren't just the victims that identify with their captors; they join the captors and think they are doing right.

(1) You think I'm joking? Check the 2nd clip. This is a Thing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQTH4DOTCAQ

[MysticPhD]

There is little hope of understanding God for those who expect punishment from Him. There are consequences to everything we do to others that we will reap eventually if we do not repent and try to correct them, period. God does not punish.