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Old 12-22-2020, 01:20 PM
 
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We wouldn't expect judges in this country to torture people to death. I'm just amazed at how many Christians sound almost gleeful that people who don't believe like them, or at all, will be subjected to horrible flames forever and ever. Seriously, you people need help. Talk about schadenfreude.
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Old 12-22-2020, 01:22 PM
 
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So he created them, but that doesn't mean he loves them. Sorta like dead beat dad.
Sin is that bad.
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Old 12-22-2020, 01:24 PM
 
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Actually, he's perfect. And Holy. And Just. And Loving.

We're punished for our sin. We can be spared of that punishment by Jesus.


TECHNICALLY partially true. Believing is commanded. But not ONLY unbelief. We are punished generically for sin, of which there is an abundance of guilt on every human being that has ever lived.
If a Jew or a Hindu needs to accept Jesus t9 be saved how is that different from not having to become a Christian to be saved? Forget about being punished for our sins if we all have these sins but only Christians maybe saved then the rest of us are punished for not being Christians and you think that is perfect and God is loving in doing so?
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Old 12-22-2020, 01:30 PM
 
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If a Jew or a Hindu needs to accept Jesus t9 be saved how is that different from not having to become a Christian to be saved?
I don't recall saying otherwise. Yes, one must trust Christ to be saved. That's the Gospel. It's what the Bible says.
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Forget about being punished for our sins if we all have these sins but only Christians maybe saved then the rest of us are punished for not being Christians and you think that is perfect and God is loving in doing so?
Yes, one actually has to trust in Christ. That's really the issue, isn't it? You're bothered by the fact that God actually expects us to come to him on his terms.
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Old 12-22-2020, 01:33 PM
 
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If a Jew or a Hindu needs to accept Jesus t9 be saved how is that different from not having to become a Christian to be saved? Forget about being punished for our sins if we all have these sins but only Christians maybe saved then the rest of us are punished for not being Christians and you think that is perfect and God is loving in doing so?
You are trying to reason with the unreasonable, bad.
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Old 12-22-2020, 01:36 PM
 
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I don't recall saying otherwise. Yes, one must trust Christ to be saved. That's the Gospel. It's what the Bible says.


Yes, one actually has to trust in Christ. That's really the issue, isn't it? You're bothered by the fact that God actually expects us to come to him on his terms.
Those are your facts. Believing the bible is your truth. Not everybody believes like you do.
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Old 12-22-2020, 01:38 PM
 
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I don't recall saying otherwise. Yes, one must trust Christ to be saved. That's the Gospel. It's what the Bible says.


Yes, one actually has to trust in Christ. That's really the issue, isn't it? You're bothered by the fact that God actually expects us to come to him on his terms.
You are so wrong. Not sure why you would think I care what your God wants? The fact that you believe that all non Christians deserve to be punished for basically not being a Christian is both sad and frightening. And you find it moral, loving and perfect.

When I die I'll be dead, nothing more, as far as I know. When I die you'll be thinking I need to be tormented. As long as you are willing for me to die first I'll be ok with your ideas no matter how horrid I find them.
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Old 12-22-2020, 01:40 PM
 
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You are trying to reason with the unreasonable, bad.
No I'm not. I just want to be totally clear that he means what I think he does.
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Old 12-22-2020, 01:41 PM
 
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You are so wrong. Not sure why you would think I care what your God wants? The fact that you believe that all non Christians deserve to be punished for basically not being a Christian is both sad and frightening. And you find it moral, loving and perfect.
The thing you seem to be missing is that nowhere have I suggested that a non-Christian can't come to Christ. The Muslim, Hindu, Atheist, etc, can all come to Christ. He will not turn away the person that repents and trusts in him.
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When I die I'll be dead, nothing more, as far as I know. When I die you'll be thinking I need to be tormented. As long as you are willing for me to die first I'll be ok with your ideas no matter how horrid I find them.
I disagree, but ok.
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Old 12-22-2020, 01:42 PM
 
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You are trying to reason with the unreasonable, bad.
Sure, Doc. I'm not the one that bases my beliefs off of what verse I pick and choose based on my own feelings. I believe all of Scripture. Like it or not.
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