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I would say that all he knew was the lads were sons to someone, young fellas still to live their lives. But his motivation would have been, "Got to save them!". He knew them as trainees, not as individuals. Would he have sacrificed his life for known rapists and murders? I would think not.
I agree. But here's the difference. Jesus knows us as individuals. That soldier had no idea if he was saving a 'saint' or a 'sinner'.
Jesus also sacrificed HIS own life, also knowing that some of the people would also go on to rape and kill.
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Now, would this man go to hell for committing suicide? Because that is what he did - he deliberately and knowingly took his own life.
I seriously doubt the man would go to hell for committing suicide. His intention wasn't to commit suicide. His intention was to save his friends.
After all, what did Jesus say? John 15:13 says it best: " No one ha greater love than this, to lay down one's life for one's friends"
I wouldn't be surprised if that man went straight to heaven immediately after his heroic act, no matter what sins he committed in his life.
eve, eve is one the one that tricked adam ... just saying. Women.
Ummm...*clearing my throat* Eve didn't "trick" Adam. Adam was standing RIGHT THERE while she was being tempted. Adam ALWAYS had the power to say, "NO!"
I don't think he is attacking anyone's personal character as his belief is we are all sinners. To me it sounds like his God is terrible at making humans.
Yeah, I hear ya (bolded), and I agree that it was an ultimate sacrifice that the brave soldier made. He gave his own life to save the lives of others. But didn't Christ do the same thing?
in your post, you drew the analogy between what the brave soldier did and what you believe that God should do. The soldier gave himself as a sacrifice so others could live. Some of the soldiers in that trench may very well have realized the magnitude of the sacrifice that was made, and IF they were sinners, they may re-evaluate their own life and make some changes for the better.
On the other hand, that soldier may have saved the life of someone who will continue to live, and continue to 'sin'. Perhaps that particular soldier may be released from his service and become a serial killer...one who kills someone in *your* family. Would YOU be able to forgive him if he raped and killed your own child?
You wrote: "A truly loving, holy and perfect being would do the honorable thing and forgive us all". Wouldn't that include forgiving the guy who raped and killed your child, so that he could go on to rape and kill another, because he had no regard for human life?
Yes, he did. But WHY did he tell us that? WHY is it so important for US to love and forgive sinners? After all, what IS "forgiveness", anyway? Does it mean that after I discover who raped and killed my own child, that I should invite him into my home for dinner? Is THAT 'forgiveness'?
The answer to both of your questions is, YES, HE DID.
*waves from the other side of the world* You too, Guy! Hope all is well these days!
Just what does "accepting Jesus Christ" as their personal savior mean? What does it mean (to YOU, obviously) to "believe"? What do you think that Christians think it means?
Thanks for that clarification. But my point is that God did not create us as sinners. We inherited that from Adam.
Of course that begs the question of how we can inherit characteristics from the first man but not from our grandfather's? But that belongs in another thread.
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Hope all is well these days!
What do you think that Christians think it means?
