The LINT Papers part 1 (prophecies, agnostics, Abraham, Jews)
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You have missed the word 'Became', which is the primary verb here. It is omitted in the second phrase because it is in the first. Try your version without the quotes and added text.
And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul, the last Adam a quickening spirit.
The last Adam into a life-giving spirit? On it's own, that makes no sense. Where is the verb?
'Make alive' here is one word that is the partner of 'living' in the first phrase, just as 'spirit' is the partner with 'soul'. The word is translated in most versions as life-giving. The second phrase is not an explanation, it is part of the quote.
In Christian theology there is just one Adam. In some Jewish theologies there were two, including Paul's. This whole passage is about heaven / earth pairs, as is the Epistle to the Hebrews.
Well, write it correctly any way you think it should read in English, with 'became' or not, and I'll see whether it rules out the spirit of Adam entering into Jesus.
"And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul, the last Adam a quickening spirit."
The first bit says that Adam was made a living soul, that is a man. The other a quickening spirit. Did not 'become' as it already was. But (so I'm arguing) entered Jesus entire 'quickening' him. Which I take to mean allowing him to act as he did.
However, if you are arguing that there were Two (separate) Adams, let's look into that. O'm not sure how that works at all as I never heard anyone suggests that there were two Adams, though it wouldn't be something Christians (or Judaism) would talk about.
I did have a quick Google, but couldn't find mention of two Adams other than a Jewish theologian (Lonely man of faith) who seemed to be talking more about the human condition.
Last edited by TRANSPONDER; 02-25-2021 at 08:11 AM..
No Sorry I have it, or rather, had it and am taking a while to get over it. Which I was told may happen.
I started getting sick at the end of January. I have been home with pneumonia, yesterday was my first day out with the exception of taking people to and from the hospital and picking up prescriptions. Both my wife and son were hospitalized, but are home now. I am just beginning to be able to function without getting winded, I am told this could take a few more weeks to clear up
I appreciate your thoughts and well wishes I mention that I am spending more time home resting, reading, watching Tv because I cannot be out working at this point.
I'm sorry to hear about that. I wish you (and yours) all the best and a speedy recovery.
Well, write it correctly any way you think it should read in English, with 'became' or not, and I'll see whether it rules out the spirit of Adam entering into Jesus.
"And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul, the last Adam a quickening spirit."
Became (primary verb)
- the - first - man - Adam - into - a soul - living;
- the - last - Adam - into - a spirit - life giving.
This structure is a deliberate literary device, probably from a lost commentary on Genesis.
In English, the first Adam became a living soul, the last a life giving spirit.
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Originally Posted by TRANSPONDER
The first bit says that Adam was made a living soul, that is a man. The other a quickening spirit. Did not 'become' as it already was. But (so I'm arguing) entered Jesus entire 'quickening' him. Which I take to mean allowing him to act as he did.
The passage has nothing to do with Jesus, it is about how believers go to heaven. Do they keep their body or do they have a separate body? Paul says they have one waiting for them in heaven, so he is talking about two different bodies.
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Originally Posted by TRANSPONDER
However, if you are arguing that there were Two (separate) Adams, let's look into that. O'm not sure how that works at all as I never heard anyone suggests that there were two Adams, though it wouldn't be something Christians (or Judaism) would talk about.
I did have a quick Google, but couldn't find mention of two Adams other than a Jewish theologian (Lonely man of faith) who seemed to be talking more about the human condition.
That is because you are conditioned by 2000 years of Christianity. But Philo talks about heavenly copies of things on earth, as does Epistle to the Hebrews. They had very different beliefs 2000 years ago.
Became (primary verb)
- the - first - man - Adam - into - a soul - living;
- the - last - Adam - into - a spirit - life giving.
This structure is a deliberate literary device, probably from a lost commentary on Genesis.
In English, the first Adam became a living soul, the last a life giving spirit.
The passage has nothing to do with Jesus, it is about how believers go to heaven. Do they keep their body or do they have a separate body? Paul says they have one waiting for them in heaven, so he is talking about two different bodies.
That is because you are conditioned by 2000 years of Christianity. But Philo talks about heavenly copies of things on earth, as does Epistle to the Hebrews. They had very different beliefs 2000 years ago.
I agree with Harry's reasoning and interpretation as well. Hell is in for a cold spell.
Became (primary verb)
- the - first - man - Adam - into - a soul - living;
- the - last - Adam - into - a spirit - life giving.
This structure is a deliberate literary device, probably from a lost commentary on Genesis.
In English, the first Adam became a living soul, the last a life giving spirit.
The passage has nothing to do with Jesus, it is about how believers go to heaven. Do they keep their body or do they have a separate body? Paul says they have one waiting for them in heaven, so he is talking about two different bodies.
That is because you are conditioned by 2000 years of Christianity. But Philo talks about heavenly copies of things on earth, as does Epistle to the Hebrews. They had very different beliefs 2000 years ago.
Very well. I concede that you interpretation makes sense if the while thing is an allegory or something of the kind and none of it relates to real events. I presume that you would say that Pilate and Herod and other historical persons are just there to play their part in an allegory.
But If it is actually based on teal people and their ideas, at least about real events, then whatever is going on heaven, what is going on on earth, is an Adam (in spirit) being the 'last' thing that Paul is talking about, which is the Jesus who came to release people from sin.
I take your point that i have been 'conditioned' by the tale that Christianity has been telling for 1.5+ thousand years. That is the one I'm dealing with. Claims about heaven, and a Gospel that is allegory doesn't concern me any more than it concerns the Bible -believers.
Very well. I concede that you interpretation makes sense if the while thing is an allegory or something of the kind and none of it relates to real events. I presume that you would say that Pilate and Herod and other historical persons are just there to play their part in an allegory.
But If it is actually based on teal people and their ideas, at least about real events, then whatever is going on heaven, what is going on on earth, is an Adam (in spirit) being the 'last' thing that Paul is talking about, which is the Jesus who came to release people from sin.
I take your point that i have been 'conditioned' by the tale that Christianity has been telling for 1.5+ thousand years. That is the one I'm dealing with. Claims about heaven, and a Gospel that is allegory doesn't concern me any more than it concerns the Bible -believers.
Dude, were you drinking when you wrote this?...I see so many spelling errors here, which is unusual for you, like “teal people”?....lol
No Sorry I have it, or rather, had it and am taking a while to get over it. Which I was told may happen.
I started getting sick at the end of January. I have been home with pneumonia, yesterday was my first day out with the exception of taking people to and from the hospital and picking up prescriptions. Both my wife and son were hospitalized, but are home now. I am just beginning to be able to function without getting winded, I am told this could take a few more weeks to clear up
I appreciate your thoughts and well wishes I mention that I am spending more time home resting, reading, watching Tv because I cannot be out working at this point.
From what I have been told , do not rush your return to work and instead work on your recovery. Best to you and your entire family.
Dude, were you drinking when you wrote this?...I see so many spelling errors here, which is unusual for you, like “teal people”?....lol
Sorry. The fact is that my eyes are not getting any better. I'm on about thirty% outside and 5O% inside. I've always been a rubbish typer, too. I try to pick up errors, but sometimes not till too late.
Yes, I know. I've been trying to get it fixed since the last glaucoma check that showed up cataracts, but nothing was happening even before the plague.
I will try to pick up the misstypes, but no guarantees or money back.
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