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Old 06-28-2022, 08:01 PM
 
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Not sure I follow. Help me.
It is not cut and dried. It depends on who you are and who is calling you on it as much as what you have done.
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Old 06-28-2022, 08:42 PM
 
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It is not cut and dried. It depends on who you are and who is calling you on it as much as what you have done.
Am I a cultural appropriator or cultural colonialist because Gordon Lightfoot, Blue Rodeo and the Arrogant Worms bulk large in my MP3 collection?
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Old 06-28-2022, 08:49 PM
 
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Am I a cultural appropriator or cultural colonialist because Gordon Lightfoot, Blue Rodeo and the Arrogant Worms bulk large in my MP3 collection?
People who accuse others of cultural appropriation instead of cultural appreciation are like Agnew's famous phrase, "Nattering Nabobs of Negativism," IMO.
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Old 06-29-2022, 04:04 AM
 
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Am I a cultural appropriator or cultural colonialist because Gordon Lightfoot, Blue Rodeo and the Arrogant Worms bulk large in my MP3 collection?
I am sorry you have difficulty with the concept. It could be internal bias and may need more education and sensitivity to overcome the resistance. Do you have friends who are different from you, and from a different culture, speak a languages other than English? If not, that is a handicap. Could be age as well.., Younger people adapt to and accept diversity easily.
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Old 06-29-2022, 07:13 AM
 
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I am sorry you have difficulty with the concept. It could be internal bias and may need more education and sensitivity to overcome the resistance. Do you have friends who are different from you, and from a different culture, speak a languages other than English? If not, that is a handicap. Could be age as well.., Younger people adapt to and accept diversity easily.
I don't understand your post. I never questioned your intelligence. For my views, see this:
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People who accuse others of cultural appropriation instead of cultural appreciation are like Agnew's famous phrase, "Nattering Nabobs of Negativism," IMO.
By the way I was horrified when Agnew made that speech but the expression has its uses.
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Old 06-29-2022, 07:15 AM
 
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It is the negative interpretation of cultural appreciation. When someone sees value and benefit in something in another culture and appreciates its value that can be (and usually is) considered cultural appropriation by those with a negative mindset about the motives of others, IMO. It is not necessary to adopt the entire zeitgeist of the culture to benefit from it. The latter presupposes ownership and separateness that I no longer believe exists among us. We are ALL part of the ONENESS, so I tend to see it positively as recognizing the value in things developed in other cultures.
except you do NOT put that into practice in your posts. you do NOT positively recognize other cultures, you do just the opposite. your posts are rife with denigration, belittling, insult, and lack of regard for cultures and people. your posts and views do NOT show value and positive recognition of the cultures and peoples you constantly and consistently denigrate. they reek with negativity. as described in bold below.

you're doing it right now, in this thread, by ridiculing the very act of calling out and recognizing cultural appropriation. And instead trying to call it "appreciation." Taking something harmful and trying to paint it as a positive, which shows an utter lack of understanding of what the problem is, and not only denying that it is a problem which exists. But taking it a step further in an obscenely negative direction by denigrating and seeking to discredit those who do recognize and seek to address the problem.

"Cultural appropriation arises when people, anyone, takes aspects of another culture specifically to mock or disrespect them," he said. "What seems to draw the ire of cultural appropriation activists are the less respectful instances where someone will use an item from another culture to ridicule or patronize the other group." ---Saurav Dutt, British Bengali author whose work explores racism and interracial relationships within Indian society
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Old 06-29-2022, 09:00 AM
 
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Am I a cultural appropriator or cultural colonialist because Gordon Lightfoot, Blue Rodeo and the Arrogant Worms bulk large in my MP3 collection?
No you are not. Listening and enjoying music should be open for everyone.

However if white people create regae music many think that they are doing cultural appropriation.

It really comes out if I dressed as a traditional Blackfoot or Bavarian even though I am not from those cultures. But I wear moccasins in the house in the winter.

Traz explained it well however in the case of Halloween costumes are they meant as insults or just kids dressing up in ways they normally do not? I do not know which is why I said it was not cut and dried.
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Old 06-29-2022, 09:09 AM
 
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No you are not. Listening and enjoying music should be open for everyone.

However if white people create regae music many think that they are doing cultural appropriation.

It really comes out if I dressed as a traditional Blackfoot or Bavarian even though I am not from those cultures. But I wear moccasins in the house in the winter.

Traz explained it well however in the case of Halloween costumes are they meant as insults or just kids dressing up in ways they normally do not? I do not know which is why I said it was not cut and dried.

People whose culture is being appropriated for fun and profit have no doubt about what is and is not, it is quite clear cut.
It is the mindless majority culture that is ignorant and dismissal of stealing other people's culture that think it is appreciating it.
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Old 06-29-2022, 09:20 AM
 
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No you are not. Listening and enjoying music should be open for everyone.

However if white people create regae music many think that they are doing cultural appropriation.

It really comes out if I dressed as a traditional Blackfoot or Bavarian even though I am not from those cultures. But I wear moccasins in the house in the winter.

Traz explained it well however in the case of Halloween costumes are they meant as insults or just kids dressing up in ways they normally do not? I do not know which is why I said it was not cut and dried.
since you're mentioning records, here's a good historical example of 'cultural appropriation': Back in the 1950s songs by Black recording artists were often also recorded by white recording artists for different audiences. For example, Fats Domino's "I'm Walkin'", written by Domino, was almost immediately recorded by Ricky Nelson for the white audience. Common practice in that era.

I disagree that some posters here that cultural appropriation is done to mock. Sometimes it almost seems to be a compliment.
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Old 06-29-2022, 09:25 AM
 
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since you're mentioning records, here's a good historical example of 'cultural appropriation': Back in the 1950s songs by Black recording artists were often also recorded by white recording artists for different audiences. For example, Fats Domino's "I'm Walkin'", written by Domino, was almost immediately recorded by Ricky Nelson for the white audience. Common practice in that era.

I disagree that some posters here that cultural appropriation is done to mock. Sometimes it almost seems to be a compliment.
Those whom you stole from think of it as stealing. Black Fats Domino did not make the money that the white Ricky Nelson did, and he wasn't half as good. Does that occur to you?
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