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Hating religion is a means to an end for some people. Again, this view is not compatible with a free society. If I desired to eliminate or restrict religion and religious beliefs, I would start at the government level.
Again, are there any atheists here who actually hate religion?
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Originally Posted by Hayle White
A new law further restricting religious expression in China went into effect on February 1. Known as the Administrative Measures for Religious Groups, it requires faith organizations to obtain government permission for nearly every aspect of their operations. Moreover, religious communities must now promote the principles of the Chinese Communist Party. https://editorials.voa.gov/a/new-rel...a/5354060.html
This is true for all organizations in China, which still has freedom of religion for most religions. What the religious organizations can not do is put their religion above the Chinese laws. So unauthorized large group meetings are forbidden because they are unauthorized, not because they are religious.
The question is, what has China to do with atheism, other than the Chinese Communist Party's official promotion of state atheism? Several members of the CCP are religious, as are most Chinese.
Ok here we go. I never said I found it offensive, it's just what happens when you're an atheist. But it is unnecessary and untrue. You see it as blasphemy, I see it as having a little fun with the zealots on this board. I live in the South honey, if I got offended every time someone said they'd pray for me when they know I'm not religious......that's offensive as hell but it is what it is. You can't sweat the small stuff.
LOL orgasmic pleasure? That's a good one. Dear cb, atheism is just non-belief of something that there is absolutely no evidence for. That's all. I don't know why we get treated so badly. See my post above.
I dont define what blasphemy is, dear NS. My religion, Hinduism, does not even recognize such a concept.
Here is one wiki for you:
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Blasphemy, as defined in some religions or religion-based laws, is an insult that shows contempt, disrespect or lack of reverence concerning a deity, an object considered sacred or something considered inviolable ... Dharmic religions, such as Hinduism, Buddhism and Jainism, have no concept of blasphemy and hence prescribe no punishment.[8]
Link.
See? Now if that is what you are doing as quoted, and with full intention and awareness of what you are doing, why would it not be labeled as such? I don't think that needs to happen just because one is atheist. It happens when you show contempt, disrespect or lack of reverence concerning a deity, an object considered sacred or something considered inviolable while interacting with people - and we are people behind our screens and screen names. You say you are not offended but I can see you feel hurt.
What is fun is when we both laugh. Not fun is when you laugh AT me. Now you can see why Christians and other don't like it, and don't laugh with you.
Are there any Stalinist atheists here? I know too many fundamentalist religious people post here, which may be a bigger problem for the US than alleged Stalinist atheists.
It is one thing to ignore religion and form one’s own relationship to religion, but hating seems a bit psycho to me.
I can see hating some aspects of religion for sure. Such as the dominant presence of misogyny not only in all religions, but that pervades women’s lives in every sphere. But this has made women find new ways to spirituality, get ordained if they choose to, and resist and simply ignore any gender based rules. This is how reforms happen within religions.
Caste has been the bane of Indian society. What was a system meant to classify people according to their psychological profiles became a grotesque practice of untouchability. Here too reform came through resistance to casteism by those who suffered most, which expressed itself through social reforms and legal measure against caste discrimination, and affirmative action to positively help those who were held back.
First you say that "hating seems a bit psycho", and then you say "I can see hating some aspects".[/quote]
Messed up post.
I dont define what blasphemy is, dear NS. My religion, Hinduism, does not even recognize such a concept.
Here is one wiki for you:
Link.
See? Now if that is what you are doing as quoted, and with full intention and awareness of what you are doing, why would it not be labeled as such? I don't think that needs to happen just because one is atheist. It happens when you show contempt, disrespect or lack of reverence concerning a deity, an object considered sacred or something considered inviolable while interacting with people - and we are people behind our screens and screen names. You say you are not offended but I can see you feel hurt.
What is fun is when we both laugh. Not fun is when you laugh AT me. Now you can see why Christians and other don't like it, and don't laugh with you.
But you don't see what I'm saying. It's not blasphemy to me, only to Christians. You seem mighty offended for a Hindu. You can "see" I feel hurt. So, you can see me? Wow, them Hindu insights are mighty powerful. See how that works? You insult me and assume things, and I make a joke. You don't have to laugh with me, I'm doing enough of that on my own.
It's the silly, slamming, redonkulous radical posters who claim to be Christians and who act nothing like one that bother me. Right now, I see you picking apart my post, that's what I see. Oh, and insinuating that I'm as unhappy as you are. Maybe Hinduism isn't for you. It sounds more like you are a Christian, that's why everyone assumes you are.
I'm not laughing at anyone. I'm laughing at the concept and how ridiculous it is. See the difference? And sometimes the proponents of that religious concept are just downright hilarious when they are trying to be all serious and mean. Puleeze.
Here is a question for atheists on the Ask an Atheist thread.
Do you as an atheist personally engage in, or personally approve of, deliberately and intentionally insulting those whose views you disagree with, views different than your own views, because "they deserve to be ridiculed," and you feel it is "perfectly fine" to engage in that behavior because views you may disagree with, you "see as sheer stupidity."
The questions i ask here on the Ask an Atheist thread are based on real-life examples from real-life atheists posting here on CD. The examples are representative of behavior by atheists here on CD, on a regular and ongoing basis.
It is not the individual or their basic religious beliefs but some of their beliefs or opinions that stem out if their beliefs that may warrent ridicule or at least criticism.
And the same goes for fields other than religion. Bad ideas need to be pointed out and outright silly or dangerous ideas and beliefs need to be mocked and ridicule at every turn.
And you might point out bad behaviour of Atheists but that is totally unimportant as long as you either ignore or agree with the same nature of behavior from theists. Sure claim bad behaviour should be blamed on only one group and then call for unity and speak against divisiveness.
I have pointed this out, not because I was offended by because I was and still am shocked that any person can think that way. A poster told me I could not actually love my wife because I do not believe in God. Other posters have stated that without God you cannot think or that our lives are meaningless. Or that we are all angry and sad. If you do not see those as insults you probably agree with those statements.
A point you should consider is that not all Atheists are the same. If an atheist says something or does something you do not like do not blame all of us. And theists or do not post insults or ridiculous statements do not get insulted or mocked. I do not think you will find a single post by an atheist insulting Kaspur or BakerQuaker. But when theists post ones that are intended to put down Atheist and have no other purpose we do not have to let it stand.
Are there any Stalinist atheists here? I know too many fundamentalist religious people post here, which may be a bigger problem for the US than alleged Stalinist atheists.
If Stalin did hate the religious, it was possibly because they were part of the problem of oppression against the common people that gave rise to Socialism and Communism. Stalin oppressed the religious because they were an alternate threat to his power base, the same reason he oppressed the military, other politicians, poets, authors, writers, journalists, other atheists, etc. He stopped oppressing the religious when he realized he could use Russian orthodoxy to gain support from the working class.
That sounds out of context, because it does not follow. One is simply not believing in gods, the other is an economic political system. But that is one for the politics forum, there is nothing in atheism itself to say you must oppress or kill people.
My grandparents gleed Russia to save their lives from the Christian Czar and his polgroms against Jews. This is also the society that Stalin grew up in. Stalin does not represent Communism nor does Communism represent socialism and none of them have anything to do with atheism. Anymore than theists posters here should be linked to Christian Nationalist which is White Nationalism.
It is one thing to ignore religion and form one’s own relationship to religion, but hating seems a bit psycho to me.
I can see hating some aspects of religion for sure. Such as the dominant presence of misogyny not only in all religions, but that pervades women’s lives in every sphere. But this has made women find new ways to spirituality, get ordained if they choose to, and resist and simply ignore any gender based rules. This is how reforms happen within religions.
Caste has been the bane of Indian society. What was a system meant to classify people according to their psychological profiles became a grotesque practice of untouchability. Here too reform came through resistance to casteism by those who suffered most, which expressed itself through social reforms and legal measure against caste discrimination, and affirmative action to positively help those who were held back.
First you say that "hating seems a bit psycho", and then you say "I can see hating some aspects".[/quote]
If somebody spends over a decade and thousands of hours of time & effort railing against and criticizing something...you'd think they certainly must hate it (not just curious or dislike it), or they have serious issues.
Likewise if they are complimentary...they would have to 'love" it to devote that much time/effort.
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That's a good one. Dear cb, atheism is just non-belief of something that there is absolutely no evidence for. That's all. I don't know why we get treated so badly.
See my post above.
Wow, them Hindu insights are mighty powerful. See how that works? You insult me and assume things, and I make a joke. You don't have to laugh with me, I'm doing enough of that on my own. 
