Jesus Christ of the Gospels Never Existed. He's a Myth and I Can Prove It (Part 1). (Adam and Eve, verse)
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
... what you WANT to call a ... Yes, your often repeated non sequitur IS a PhD level argument. Seriously, get another argument, this one is so lame, it was put to sleep years ago.
You DO realize these are just assertions from your lack of knowledge and not rebuttals, right? Do you even know what an actual rebuttal looks like??
Quote:
So you once again admit you have NO evidence for an intelligence behind everything.
Your dismissal of the existence of intelligence as an aspect of our Reality in the face of our intelligence is just stupid. There is no reason for you to assume there is no intelligence behind anything just because you cannot see or measure intelligence directly. The very intelligibility of our Reality belies your preference for no intelligence.
The problem with Mystic's -- and other christian's -- viewpoint is that they seem to attach it only to the things they see as good. But let's use the same principle:
In 1556, an earthquake in China killed an estimated 830,000 people. I literally cannot comprehend that. Must be god killed all those people.
Same for tsunami that the southern Thai peninsula a few years back. Musta been god.
I cannot comprehend the evil of Hitler or Pol Pot...how they could rise and do what they did to the extent that they did it. Must be god led the way.
And this is the same kind of thinking that I have challenged one of our 'in love with religion' posters -- show some balance. And they just can't do that. And there's a reason -- I firmly believe they are afraid of losing their faith if they show balance.
As long as you continue to think this PHYSICAL Reality is what is important, you will not understand. What happens here physically is merely the venue in which our spiritual development occurs. Physical death does not interfere with that. It just moves it to the next stage. How WE deal with what happens here is what is important.
The problem with Mystic's -- and other christian's -- viewpoint is that they seem to attach it only to the things they see as good. But let's use the same principle:
In 1556, an earthquake in China killed an estimated 830,000 people. I literally cannot comprehend that. Must be god killed all those people.
Same for tsunami that the southern Thai peninsula a few years back. Musta been god.
I cannot comprehend the evil of Hitler or Pol Pot...how they could rise and do what they did to the extent that they did it. Must be god led the way.
And this is the same kind of thinking that I have challenged one of our 'in love with religion' posters -- show some balance. And they just can't do that. And there's a reason -- I firmly believe they are afraid of losing their faith if they show balance.
I'm always hard-pressed to comprehend why a Christian god who loves his children sooooooooo much can wipe out a near bus-full of young Christian men and spare thousands of atheists in the process.
A 13-year-old boy who was illegally driving his dad’s truck which crashed into a bus carrying a student golf team has been named.
Ricky Siemens and his father, Heinrich Siemens, were among the nine people killed in the tragic that occurred on Highway 115 in Midland, Texas, at around 8pm local time on Tuesday.
The bus had been carrying college athletes from the University of Southwest golf team when the crash occurred with six students and one coach killed.
Now picture this. Highway 115 is a lonely stretch of asphalt out in the middle of nowhere. It's 8PM so there's probably not a lot of traffic out there except for this one lonely bus in its way back to the Christian university that the young athletes are attending. At precisely the point that both truck and bus intersect the front left tire on the truck blows out sending it careening into the bus carrying the Christian men. Any other tire blowing out would have send the truck away from the bus, likely off to the right shoulder. Only the front left tire is guaranteed to send the truck over the one-lane highway line into oncoming traffic--if there IS any oncoming traffic. One second earlier or one second later and the bus would have been spared. But at just the precise second this accident occur all confluences came together and just the right tire blew at just the right point when the bus was passing by the truck.
This is not only highly unlikely, it is almost eerie.
How would Christians explain their god wiping out the lives of six good Christian men just starting out life? The usual excuses: "They probably had sin in their lives". "Their faith in Jesus was weak or nonexistent" And the granddaddy of all all apolegetic excuses, "God's ways are mysterious and unknowable."
Why not just call it for what it is: a senseless random tragedy that could have happened to anybody who was unlucky enough to be out on that lonely stretch of highway at just the wrong time. God and Jesus had nothing to do with it because they don't exist.
I'm always hard-pressed to comprehend why a Christian god who loves his children sooooooooo much can wipe out a near bus-full of young Christian men and spare thousands of atheists in the process.
A 13-year-old boy who was illegally driving his dad’s truck which crashed into a bus carrying a student golf team has been named.
Ricky Siemens and his father, Heinrich Siemens, were among the nine people killed in the tragic that occurred on Highway 115 in Midland, Texas, at around 8pm local time on Tuesday.
The bus had been carrying college athletes from the University of Southwest golf team when the crash occurred with six students and one coach killed.
Now picture this. Highway 115 is a lonely stretch of asphalt out in the middle of nowhere. It's 8PM so there's probably not a lot of traffic out there except for this one lonely bus in its way back to the Christian university that the young athletes are attending. At precisely the point that both truck and bus intersect the front left tire on the truck blows out sending it careening into the bus carrying the Christian men. Any other tire blowing out would have send the truck away from the bus, likely off to the right shoulder. Only the front left tire is guaranteed to send the truck over the one-lane highway line into oncoming traffic--if there IS any oncoming traffic. One second earlier or one second later and the bus would have been spared. But at just the precise second this accident occur all confluences came together and just the right tire blew at just the right point when the bus was passing by the truck.
This is not only highly unlikely, it is almost eerie.
How would Christians explain their god wiping out the lives of six good Christian men just starting out life? The usual excuses: "They probably had sin in their lives". "Their faith in Jesus was weak or nonexistent" And the granddaddy of all all apolegetic excuses, "God's ways are mysterious and unknowable."
Why not just call it for what it is: a senseless random tragedy that could have happened to anybody who was unlucky enough to be out on that lonely stretch of highway at just the wrong time. God and Jesus had nothing to do with it because they don't exist.
Your fundamentalist indoctrination is controlling, Thrill. There is no reason whatsoever to ASSUME it has anything to do with God's WILL!!! That is the stupid belief that our primitive ancestors had about God and anything and everything that happened. That is why they attributed ALL negative occurrences to God's wrath!!
How would Christians explain their god wiping out the lives of six good Christian men just starting out life? The usual excuses: "They probably had sin in their lives". "Their faith in Jesus was weak or nonexistent" And the granddaddy of all all apolegetic excuses, "God's ways are mysterious and unknowable."
Why not just call it for what it is: a senseless random tragedy that could have happened to anybody who was unlucky enough to be out on that lonely stretch of highway at just the wrong time. God and Jesus had nothing to do with it because they don't exist.
All of your "usual excuses" reek of presumption, and your "apologetic excuse" is a lazy cop-out.
It's a tragedy; but we can't say whether it was "senseless" or "random" since we don't know the hidden ways of the universe. What all tragedy is is a result of the curse of sin. Mankind brought misery and death into the cosmos through his act of disobedience. Since the death of Christ, suffering has now become an opportunity for sanctity. It along with humanity has been redeemed. God may purposefully inflict suffering on His children as an act of Grace.
Why these Christian men and not a group of non-Christian men instead? Who knows; but why not? Another breath is not promised to any of us, no matter our religion or our level of sanctity. The rain falls on the just and the unjust.
As long as you continue to think this PHYSICAL Reality is what is important, you will not understand. What happens here physically is merely the venue in which our spiritual development occurs. Physical death does not interfere with that. It just moves it to the next stage. How WE deal with what happens here is what is important.
Well, if Hitler has put you in the gas chamber, I'll bet you'd be thinking about the physical reality of it.
Well, if Hitler has put you in the gas chamber, I'll bet you'd be thinking about the physical reality of it.
No doubt, and that IS salient. It will matter and be dealt with in the next stage. Your reincarnation concept may be one of the ways it is dealt with, though I do not believe it (or to be accurate, I hope it is not!).
Your fundamentalist indoctrination is controlling, Thrill. There is no reason whatsoever to ASSUME it has anything to do with God's WILL!!! That is the stupid belief that our primitive ancestors had about God and anything and everything that happened. That is why they attributed ALL negative occurrences to God's wrath!!
You forget, Mystic that God is in control is the dominate view in modern Christianity.
10 Bible Verses to Remember That God is in Control
All of your "usual excuses" reek of presumption, and your "apologetic excuse" is a lazy cop-out.
It's a tragedy; but we can't say whether it was "senseless" or "random" since we don't know the hidden ways of the universe. What all tragedy is is a result of the curse of sin. Mankind brought misery and death into the cosmos through his act of disobedience. Since the death of Christ, suffering has now become an opportunity for sanctity. It along with humanity has been redeemed. God may purposefully inflict suffering on His children as an act of Grace.
Why these Christian men and not a group of non-Christian men instead? Who knows; but why not? Another breath is not promised to any of us, no matter our religion or our level of sanctity. The rain falls on the just and the unjust.
Baloney. A bunch of nonsensical theology-derived dogma that doesn't mesh at all with how the world really works. Suffering inflicted by God as an act of grace indeed! There's nothing of God or Jesus or Buddha or Brahma or any supernatural entity involved in this. It's a senseless random accident that could have happened to anyone and these kinds of accidents go on every minute of every day. A thousand Christians and no atheists one minute, a 100 atheists, 20 Buddhists and 10 Christians the next minute. And on and on. Random no rhyme or reason to it.
Last edited by thrillobyte; 10-14-2022 at 03:39 PM..
Baloney. A bunch of nonsensical theology-derived dogma that doesn't mesh at all with how the world really works. There's nothing of God or Jesus or Buddha or Brahma or any supernatural entity involved in this. It's a senseless random accident that could have happened to anyone and these kinds of accidents go on every minute of every day. A thousand Christians and no atheists on minute, a 100 atheists, 20 Buddhists and 10 Christians the next minute. And on and on. Random no rhyme or reason to it.
Your descent into nihilism continues.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
