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As long as you continue to think this PHYSICAL Reality is what is important, you will not understand.
What happens here physically is merely the venue in which our spiritual development occurs. ]
Keep trying. But I do not know why. You know who you're talking to, after all, after a decade.
You are a better and more patient person than I.
All of your "usual excuses" reek of presumption, and your "apologetic excuse" is a lazy cop-out.
It's a tragedy; but we can't say whether it was "senseless" or "random" since we don't know the hidden ways of the universe. What all tragedy is is a result of the curse of sin. Mankind brought misery and death into the cosmos through his act of disobedience. Since the death of Christ, suffering has now become an opportunity for sanctity. It along with humanity has been redeemed. God may purposefully inflict suffering on His children as an act of Grace.
Why these Christian men and not a group of non-Christian men instead? Who knows; but why not? Another breath is not promised to any of us, no matter our religion or our level of sanctity. The rain falls on the just and the unjust.
Ironically your post is just presumption and the usual apologetic excuses. The definition of your god is contrary to what actually happens in the universe, which behaves as if only mindless natural forces are responsible. Your argument presumes a god created a perfect universe, and then when Adam and Eve had a fruit salad, your god had to change the universe so that we could have earthquakes, floods, disease, bugs, large lumps of rocks flying through the universe to wipe out dinosaurs, usw.
A universe of mindless natural forces does not need anything extra to explain why bad things happen.
All of your "usual excuses" reek of presumption, and your "apologetic excuse" is a lazy cop-out.
It's a tragedy; but we can't say whether it was "senseless" or "random" since we don't know the hidden ways of the universe. What all tragedy is is a result of the curse of sin. Mankind brought misery and death into the cosmos through his act of disobedience. Since the death of Christ, suffering has now become an opportunity for sanctity. It along with humanity has been redeemed. God may purposefully inflict suffering on His children as an act of Grace.
Why these Christian men and not a group of non-Christian men instead? Who knows; but why not? Another breath is not promised to any of us, no matter our religion or our level of sanctity. The rain falls on the just and the unjust.
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Originally Posted by Harry Diogenes
Ironically your post is just presumption and the usual apologetic excuses. The definition of your god is contrary to what actually happens in the universe, which behaves as if only mindless natural forces are responsible. Your argument presumes a god created a perfect universe, and then when Adam and Eve had a fruit salad, your god had to change the universe so that we could have earthquakes, floods, disease, bugs, large lumps of rocks flying through the universe to wipe out dinosaurs, usw.
A universe of mindless natural forces does not need anything extra to explain why bad things happen.
Not to mention that the the Christian explanation of the world's condition simply reeks of millennia-old legend and pagan primitive beliefs. Put into a modern setting, it sounds just plain silly. No wonder Christians are leaving Christianity by the millions the more they get educated.
If your worldview is correct, then to hell with it frankly. It's inferior to the "fairy tale" version.
Well, props for honesty. "If for the sake or argument [insert ideology you don't like here] were correct, i'd rather have fairy tales". That is religion in a nutshell.
BTW it is highly arguable that nihilism inspires despair. The term gets tossed around pretty casually. Nietzsche saw nihilism as a robust, positive philosophy so it is just possible that what gets labeled "nihilistic" these days doesn't have all that much to do with at least what Nietzsche envisioned or advocated. That could mean he was drop-dead wrong or it could mean that his ideas have been widely (often deliberately) misunderstood / misconstrued and/or hijacked. I tend to think the latter. That the Nazis (ab)used nihilism to justify their own execrable behaviors doesn't mean it was inherently supportive of bigotry and hatred, and that people today tend to misunderstand it doesn't make it a source of despair either.
Not that I am a disciple of Nietzsche or something. But I for example argue that there is no INHERENT meaning or purpose to human existence or endeavor and then when I immediately qualify that with a BUT (but there is plenty of meaning and purpose for one to find and live by just the same) people seem not to want to hear the BUT. And would thus label me "nihilistic" and assume I am walking around with a german accent bemoaning that "life is meaningless" and looking for ways to kill myself.
If your worldview is correct, then to hell with it frankly. It's inferior to the "fairy tale" version.
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