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The new scientists magazine doesn't say the flood happened(sneaky that you try to make it sounds like they do) and without taking a calculator I can say that sanspeur is right. Did you suddenly forget that you told us the earth was covered by around 6 miles? Do you know how much water in the world we have calculated there is? Around 344 million cubic miles. This includes seawater, underground deposits(including those you mentioned), polar ice caps, atmospheric moisture and living things. How much does that amount up to? A sphere of around 1400km in diameter.
You know what else is interesting? The water present on earth 4000 years ago was the same or less than that of today. 1.5 times the world's water is unnacounted for and "it magically disappeared into the ground" might have been a good excuse for the people back but not for us now. Why are you trying so hard to convince us the flood myth didn't involve magic? If you remove all the things which you need to take on faith then you are also removing the need for god's involvement in it all.
I could care less if New Scientist magazine did not say the flood happened. The point I was trying to make is the fact that there is a great deal of water in the earth not considered. And for you to come here and try to convince us that you know how much water is in the earth because of math is one of the more stupid statements I have had to listen to. Science, does not even know how much oil is in the earth which they have search for, for years. So please, don't attempt to come here and proclaim they know how much water exist from earths core, to the surface. And I don't have to convince you of anything, I stand on historical facts that you deny. You are the one who has nothing to present here to me but a belief in something based on assuptions, not facts. You can reject pictures from space, you can reject the personal stories from hundreds from the past. You can reject the story of the Bible. You can reject the flood story from oral traditions worldwide. You can reject it all, but the only thing you can replace it with, is your belief based on blind faith, and assumptions that it never happened. I will stick with the facts. If you reject the Bible that is your choice, yet as I have stated before, the Bible is supported by many facts, your belief that the Bible is untrue is not supported by facts. I have state this once and I will state it again, can you show us historical facts that prove the Bible wrong? I don't want to hear about what you believe, I want you to present us facts that prove the Bible historically wrong. Can you do that?
I could care less if New Scientist magazine did not say the flood happened. The point I was trying to make is the fact that there is a great deal of water in the earth not considered. And for you to come here and try to convince us that you know how much water is in the earth because of math is one of the more stupid statements I have had to listen to. Science, does not even know how much oil is in the earth which they have search for, for years. So please, don't attempt to come here and proclaim they know how much water exist from earths core, to the surface. And I don't have to convince you of anything, I stand on historical facts that you deny. You are the one who has nothing to present here to me but a belief in something based on assuptions, not facts. You can reject pictures from space, you can reject the personal stories from hundreds from the past. You can reject the story of the Bible. You can reject the flood story from oral traditions worldwide. You can reject it all, but the only thing you can replace it with, is your belief based on blind faith, and assumptions that it never happened. I will stick with the facts. If you reject the Bible that is your choice, yet as I have stated before, the Bible is supported by many facts, your belief that the Bible is untrue is not supported by facts. I have state this once and I will state it again, can you show us historical facts that prove the Bible wrong? I don't want to hear about what you believe, I want you to present us facts that prove the Bible historically wrong. Can you do that?
Sounds to me like you are getting a wee bit frustrated...Prove the truth of the bible for a change...We have proven many of the myths therein obviously false...Now it's your turn to prove up the bible...So far you have failed miserably.
the science channel did a thing on it. actually the science people think there was more than 1 flood in more than 1 place. but as to its sigificance, there are those of us that feel there is a cause and effect between our behavior and nature. that we are not separate from the world around us. i know NO pretty well. i dont think katrina was a coincidence.
NO needs to shape up.
we need to shape up.
I have read a theory somewhere that the flood was an event local to Northern Africa and was caused by the innundation of the Mediteranean (sp?). The resulting flood covering much of the Middle East and subsiding into what we now know it to be and then passing into local folk lore eventually becoming the myth of Noah. I could be wrong and might even go off and investigate to get my facts straight. Has anyone else heard something like this?
There is also something that was mentioned to me today and that the same myth featured in an earlier religion of the region and was incorporated into the Jewish history. Again I don't have all the facts and so could not debate this with any conviction. Just wondering if anyone else can expand on that.
Here ya go Lady Ice...Probably a weeks worth of reading on flood myths around the world including a bunch from Australia. Flood Stories from Around the World
I think this is probably where the Noah myth came from.
Older than Genesis is the Babylonian epic of Gilgamesh, a king who embarked on a journey to find the secret of immortality. Along the way, he met Utnapishtim, survivor of a great flood sent by the gods. Warned by Enki, the water god, Utnapishtim built a boat and saved his family and friends, along with artisans, animals, and precious metals.
Or perhaps this actual event.
• During the Ice Age, Ryan and Pitman argue, the Black Sea was an isolated freshwater lake surrounded by farmland.
• About 12,000 years ago, toward the end of the Ice Age, Earth began growing warmer. Vast sheets of ice that sprawled over the Northern Hemisphere began to melt. Oceans and seas grew deeper as a result.
• About 7,000 years ago the Mediterranean Sea swelled. Seawater pushed northward, slicing through what is now Turkey.
• Funneled through the narrow Bosporus, the water hit the Black Sea with 200 times the force of Niagara Falls. Each day the Black Sea rose about six inches (15 centimeters), and coastal farms were flooded.
• Seared into the memories of terrified survivors, the tale of the flood was passed down through the generations and eventually became the Noah story
I can't prove that, but that proves that the revelation of God to Abraham to make him the original father of Judaism was visaged itself mere conjecture: to kill Isaac was to ... bla, bla... deride God's existence as somehow not much more than carnal knowledge, an eternally infinite god which makes Him truly proven only after We die.
And then one sees that God exists at Jacob to make his fatherhood of the Judaic a communicated overiding love in His family.
I can't prove that, but that proves that the revelation of God to Abraham to make him the original father of Judaism was visaged itself mere conjecture: to kill Isaac was to ... bla, bla... deride God's existence as somehow not much more than carnal knowledge, an eternally infinite god which makes Him truly proven only after We die.
And then one sees that God exists at Jacob to make his fatherhood of the Judaic a communicated overiding love in His family.
Huh? What the heck did you say here, and what does it have to do with the topic?
I'm glad my posts are being taken as they are intended...with humoUr.
This is nothing to do with the topic, it's one of those oddities about spelling with a British influence or American. We spell it as humor, it's like the word color. I've seen that spelled as colour in British publications. I'm thinking Australia is probably more influenced by the British version of the english language, afterall, it is their language and Americans have gradually changed it quite alot. Just a bit of trivia. Now back to the adventures of Dr. Noah.
I could care less if New Scientist magazine did not say the flood happened. The point I was trying to make is the fact that there is a great deal of water in the earth not considered. And for you to come here and try to convince us that you know how much water is in the earth because of math is one of the more stupid statements I have had to listen to. Science, does not even know how much oil is in the earth which they have search for, for years. So please, don't attempt to come here and proclaim they know how much water exist from earths core, to the surface.
That's it? That's all you have to say? My ability to add and make estimates makes me stupid? Why don't you stop wasting our time and tell us how you can cram 5x10^37 liters of water in spaces within the earth's crust(avr 40km deep on land, 5km on oceans)?
I know the problem is that you seriously underestimate just how much water you need to cover the earth with 6 miles worth of water. If you try to cram that in somewhere in the earth's crust, then you would get enough to cover the earth and it would be thicker than 6 miles because the circumspherence of the earth gets smallers as you reduce the radius. There is just not enough space on the earth's crust to hide all that water and you couldn't hide it in the mantle because it would evaporate and rise through the viscous magma until it reached the crust. Unless you reject our current understanding of the structure of the earth(and pressumably never use a compass or listen to earthquake detection devices as they are built based on these principles) then your ideas make no sense at all.
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And I don't have to convince you of anything, I stand on historical facts that you deny. You are the one who has nothing to present here to me but a belief in something based on assuptions, not facts. You can reject pictures from space, you can reject the personal stories from hundreds from the past. You can reject the story of the Bible. You can reject the flood story from oral traditions worldwide. You can reject it all, but the only thing you can replace it with, is your belief based on blind faith, and assumptions that it never happened.
And back to pointless assertions. Look, I've shown you why you are wrong and why Dr N's myth never happened, a rebbutal other than "you are all in denial" will make this thread go forwards.
Of course not. Going to anyone and trying to convince them by saying "it all happened by magic" will get you nowhere. That is why people like Nikk or Campbell come up with an endless stream of apologetics in an attempt to hide the magic and make it seem more plausible. At one point though one must admit that there are miracles in Dr Noah's Myth and that not everything depicted in the genesis 6 will have a natural explanation.
This is where people have to accept that Dr Noah's Myth is not as believable to others as it is to them and hopefully they can learn to live with the fact that not everyone, even within Christianity, will take this story as history.
You have never seen any supernatural powers? You have never witnessed miracles?
That is sad if true.
godspeed,
freedom
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Jacob was the Grandson of Abraham.
Now back to the adventures of Dr. Noah.
That's it? That's all you have to say? My ability to add and make estimates makes me stupid? Why don't you stop wasting our time and tell us how you can cram 5x10^37 liters of water in spaces within the earth's crust(avr 40km deep on land, 5km on oceans)? 
