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But actually, since I'm not perfect, I start a task hoping it will work out--but if it goes sideways, then I pitch it and start from scratch. It may work out, it might not...I don't know.
Well so do we all but you ignore the crux of the matter TK. We are not omniscient. Now would you start a relationship if you KNEW that it was going to end disastrously? Would you start a task KNOWING that is was going to fail? That's what Yahweh did. Created something knowing full well it would not work out. He went ahead and did it knowing full well that he would have to kill off his creation and start again. He sacrificed himself to himself to atone for the mistakes of himself knowing that act would not be accepted by all and that the vast majority of his creation would have to be punished because they don't believe. Omniscience is the key here.
Everything you read about in the OT was known to your god. The 'original sin' of Adam and Eve, the killings, the slaughter, the disobedience of man, the 'evil', the rapes etc, etc. If you are not embarrassed by the OT you damn well should be!!
Well so do we all but you ignore the crux of the matter TK. We are not omniscient. Now would you start a relationship if you KNEW that it was going to end disastrously? Would you start a task KNOWING that is was going to fail? That's what Yahweh did. Created something knowing full well it would not work out. He went ahead and did it knowing full well that he would have to kill off his creation and start again. He sacrificed himself to himself to atone for the mistakes of himself knowing that act would not be accepted by all and that the vast majority of his creation would have to be punished because they don't believe. Omniscience is the key here.
Everything you read about in the OT was known to your god. The 'original sin' of Adam and Eve, the killings, the slaughter, the disobedience of man, the 'evil', the rapes etc, etc. If you are not embarrassed by the OT you damn well should be!!
Past experience has shown that they won't work out--so that tends to indicate something to avoid getting into. Yet, I still do, knowing it probably won't work.
By the way, how do you know that God, as spoken of in the Bible, is omniscient? Do you really think such a being would concentrate on the littlest detail--or be more of a "big picture" kind of thinker?
Take out the word 'probably' and how does it look now?
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By the way, how do you know that God, as spoken of in the Bible, is omniscient? Do you really think such a being would concentrate on the littlest detail--or be more of a "big picture" kind of thinker?
I hardly think that the complete failure of his 'creation' to the extent that it would have to be wiped can be viewed as a little detail. If he didn't foresee THAT...well, what can I say!!
The whole of human civilization, when compared with everything else happening in the universe, probably is a minor detail.
I can't take out the word "probably"--as I'm not all-knowing. But I do expect that my relationships will fail, and enter them anyhow.
You're missing it every time TK. We are not talking about you 'expecting' it, we are saying that you KNOW it will fail. You are omniscient. You know it will fail. Why do it?
You're missing it every time TK. We are not talking about you 'expecting' it, we are saying that you KNOW it will fail. You are omniscient. You know it will fail. Why do it?
I am not omniscient though, and have no reason to expect that this God fellow is either.
But you know what? Why do they say, "If at first you don't succeed, try, try again"? Isn't it more reasonable to quit trying that thing and moving on to something you already do well?
You're missing it every time TK. We are not talking about you 'expecting' it, we are saying that you KNOW it will fail. You are omniscient. You know it will fail. Why do it?
Failure is a good teacher (for us humans).
Consider this plan: God is showing how crappy evil is before He shows us how great goodness can be.
Well so do we all but you ignore the crux of the matter TK. We are not omniscient. Now would you start a relationship if you KNEW that it was going to end disastrously? Would you start a task KNOWING that is was going to fail? That's what Yahweh did. Created something knowing full well it would not work out. He went ahead and did it knowing full well that he would have to kill off his creation and start again. He sacrificed himself to himself to atone for the mistakes of himself knowing that act would not be accepted by all and that the vast majority of his creation would have to be punished because they don't believe. Omniscience is the key here.
Everything you read about in the OT was known to your god. The 'original sin' of Adam and Eve, the killings, the slaughter, the disobedience of man, the 'evil', the rapes etc, etc. If you are not embarrassed by the OT you damn well should be!!
I'm more embarrassed by the history of say... Hitler, The crusades, the slaughter of Native American people, slavery. It's all pretty bad.
Every time I've owned a car, it's broken down with a major problem within six months. Perhaps I should stop buying cars?
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Are Christians embarassed by the Old Testament?
