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The sun as a refractor though? Besides being functionally impossible, esp. since there's no source of light around it to be refracted, a crystal lens system just redirects light that's coming from one unified direction, redirecting it outwards to another. But crystals also break light up into it's constituent colors (aka a rainbow to you. Ever seen the results of a crystal when the sun's light hits it?).
My daughter's cut diamond wedding ring does not send a rainbow of colors out, but rays of bright light, which can dazzle the eyes of a person -and that's not even a carat!.
Build a "tessellated rock crystal chandelier for yourself' [it'll take you a while to just get the technology to do so, as they had it before the flood], and hang it in a dark ark, and so have light -Noah did, to have light in the ark for the year voyage, as God told him to do, cause the sun and stars did not shine for most of that year.
And the light is throughout the firmament which God formed between the waters on day 2. Light is not sourced in the sun, but gathered and refracted by the sun, from the firmament which it is stretched out with, on day 2.
That's bible truth.
There is no Scripture that claims the earth is flat. That claim was made by men set back to another dark age, after Eratosthenes had already computed the circumference of the earth in the 3rd century before Christ.
Eratosthenes' computation was within 200 miles of accuracy, I think, and stood until modern satellites did an accurate measurement -again, for earth was measured after the flood, by satellite, as old maps proved; but the Babel incident and subsequent wars set man back into another dark age, again, as the pattern is and will be, until God completes the number of sons adopted/ born again, from Adam, which He wants for His Glory to indwell, and to build His City with, for eternity.
When speaking of what was believed at the time when the OT was written, Eratosthenes is a real Johnny-come-lately. Anytime discriptors of the known Cosmos occur in the OT, it turns out that they are described in terms of Babylonian and Sumarian cosmologies. Here is a google images search on "Babylonian cosmologies." You will see what was believed at that time. The similarities between Babylonian and early Hebrew cosmologies are all too clear, with a little bit of egyptian thrown in. Afterall, wasn't Moses schooled, per se, by the pharoah's most learned in the area? It is probably safe to assume such. Earth as a round disc, surrounded by the mountains, supported by pillars of the earth, over the abyss (the great deep). The disk of the earth is covered by a hard dome, as if hammered out metal containing all the stars, and holding back the waters above the dome (beyond the stars within the dome). The dome separating the waters above from the waters below has windows to allow the rain, stored in vaults, to come through.
And like msot every other Greek and Roman scientific advancement, your early Church threw the baby out with the dishwater, plunging Europe into the Dark Ages.
I have nothing to do with any church that threw out any Bible truth.
BTW, here's some more Flat Earth quotes...
Isaiah 11:12 Revelation 7:1 - Mentioned four corners of the Earth.
The earth, as a globe/tebel/world, has quarters. The world is called a globe, in Hebrew; translator bias, only, is the reason the word tebel/globe is not in English, but in the DSS translations, the word is translated globe, when it is the physical globe meant.
And FYI, Nebuchadnezzar ruled all nations on the earth, in all the globe, "wherever men or beasts or fowl dwelled"; and at that time, the Olmec civilization in Mexico was at its height, so Nebuchadnezzar ruled the Olmecs and all the civilizations on all the continents of the earth, including China, for Nebuchadnezzar was "king of kings" of the earth -Daniel 2. Dan 2:37,38 Thou, O king, [art] a king of kings: for the God of heaven hath given thee a kingdom, power, and strength, and glory. And wheresoever the children of men dwell, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the heaven hath he given into thine hand, and hath made thee ruler over them all. Thou [art] this head of gold.
Job 38:13 Jeremiah 16:19 Daniel 4:11 - Mentions the "ends of the earth"
A globe of course has no ends or corners.
a globe has quarters, silly, and the extreme points of the earth are included in that. There is a North and a South "exteme point"; divide it however you wish, those compass points are the extremes, and there are four quarters.
Matthew 4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; (KJV) - Self explanitory, one cannot see everythinfg on a globe from a single high point, no matter how high. One canot even see everything on the earth from the moon.
And those are just from my personal notes.
you stole the notes from skeptic sites. The high mountain which the devil took Jesus up to is not seen with your eyes, it is part of the "great earth" seen by Enoch, in which there are seven mountains not seen by the eyes of anyone on this earth -Eden is on one of them, from which Eden Adam is cast out of ,at the fall, and cannot get back into. And the City of God is there, which is "up", on "the breadth of earth", in Revelation.
God told Job that he could not measure it -and neither can you, cause you can't get into it. They tried, at Babel, and got the language confounded for all peoples.
And the showing of the kingdoms of the world and the glory of them to Jesus in a moment of time was supernatural, from your point of view, not a natural seeing.
And let's NOT even get into the geocentric universe model proposed by scriptures.
So why not? The Bible says the sun rises and sets, and goes round the earth, as do the stars. Enoch says the same, and was shown the complete astronomical calendar of 364 days, with four of them being intercalary days. Once, the sun and moon stood still for most of a day, at the command of Joshua.
The more you open your virtual mouth, the deeper your virtual foot goes.
Someday you'll realize why your such an embarassment to the majority of Christians and other Abrahamics.
Plain history, available in any library or on Amazon.com, will show what the early Church did to science in general. Everything from medicine to archetecture was set back centuries becasue, in thier bid for pure political power, the early Church promoted the same nonsence that you do.
The Hebrew word used in the bible means "disk" not globe. A disk is flat. Also, no amtter how high one goes, one cannot see the otherside of a globe. And my notes are from my late teens, as I was cataloguing the inherent faults of scripture.
Gods, I don;t even know why I waste my time, you are simply a lost casue.
The Hebrew word used in the bible means "disk" not globe. A disk is flat. Also, no amtter how high one goes, one cannot see the otherside of a globe. And my notes are from my late teens, as I was cataloguing the inherent faults of scripture.
You still got your notes from skeptics, their sites are the same wording.
world/globe is tebel, in Hebrew, and satan took Jesus to a high mountain and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world/cosmos and the glory of them, in a moment of time -totally a supernatural showing, in a supernatural place, where you can't go.
Mat 4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world/cosmos, and the glory of them;
Dead Sea Scrolls Translated by Florentino Martinez; the Hymns, 1QH-XVI 27 -XVII 2, line 38
"[...] to the sea [...] the circuit of the globe"
tebel is translated globe, above, and in other places in the DSS to English translation, which I have.
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We should introduce this guy to Campbell and let them compare wacky ideas.
Anyone want to take bets on who's ideas are the wackiest? Campbell couldn't hold a candle to this guy. At least I can understand where Campbell gets his ideas from, but yeshuasavedme?
Just keep opening your mouth and putting your foot in.
The Lexicon says globe, too...
The translator to English of the DSS, Florentino Marteniz, translates tebel as globe, as I posted before.
Not only that, but in Daniel, Nebuchadnezzar is king of kings of all the earth, whereever men, beasts, or fowls dwelt.
That was said at the height of the Olmec civilization in Mexico, and so Nebuchadnezzar ruled the Olmec king, as he ruled all kings on earth, about 500 BC or s0.
Eratosthenes in Libya[in the third century before Christ came in flesh] used geometry to compute the circumference of the globe, and got it right to within 200 miles, which was not known more perfectly until modern satellite measurements.
Satellites were used to measure the globe after the flood, as ancient maps do show, when the globe was surveyed after Babel, when men settled the entire globe in the years after Babe, when the earth was divided in land mass and men were scatteredl.
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