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...it's quite possible that we'll never know the answer.
Are you absolutely sure of all that?
It's about "peer review": My point of asking "you" if "you are god" was to point out the silliness of evolutionists who exalt Darwin, the non-scientist, who had no degrees in anything but theology, but then the evolutionists cry out for a strawman "peer review" of all Creationist's scientific writings before they can possibly be considered [HA!] as worthy to be looked at, even, by them.
There is not one evolutionist who is a "peer of God" and not one can qualify to "peer review" the Word of God.
You are slandering generally with no evidence to back up your claims.
What business is it of yours anyway?
Sorry for your disillusion, my evidence is first hand serving on the financial committee of the last church I attended.
90% of funds go to the salaries and upkeep of the building. In fact the previous pastor to the last one, when I quizzed him concerning the tithes and what happens with all the money told me unequivocally that a modern church is run much like a business. It was not until I was invited to serve on the committee with the new pastor how true his words actually were.
In fact the new pastor whom I played golf with told me just how many families are needed to have a maintenance ministry where one would be guaranteed (statistically) a livable monthly salary based on tithes and offerings.
Dear lady I was involved with that church for the most part of my 30 years as a xian.
A church is a business no matter how you try and spin it. There is no gawd and all the stuff you learn in church like the "gift of tongues" (which I can still invoke exactly as I did as an xian 5 years later) is all a matter of mass delusion.
Oh I have some real juicy stories - don't get me started.
Sorry for your disillusion, my evidence is first hand serving on the financial committee of the last church I attended.
90% of funds go to the salaries and upkeep of the building. In fact the previous pastor to the last one, when I quizzed him concerning the tithes and what happens with all the money told me unequivocally that a modern church is run much like a business. It was not until I was invited to serve on the committee with the new pastor how true his words actually were.
In fact the new pastor whom I played golf with told me just how many families are needed to have a maintenance ministry where one would be guaranteed (statistically) a livable monthly salary based on tithes and offerings.
Dear lady I was involved with that church for the most part of my 30 years as a xian.
A church is a business no matter how you try and spin it. There is no gawd and all the stuff you learn in church like the "gift of tongues" (which I can still invoke exactly as I did as an xian 5 years later) is all a matter of mass delusion.
Oh I have some real juicy stories - don't get me started.
Your experience was not in a Christian Church, no matter what the name on the door said. Obviously The Candlestick of Christ was not there. You are proof that it had no Life, as you had only a churchian experience, and not a living relationship with Jesus Christ.
We once attended a Church which lost its candlestick after some years, after being infiltrated with unregenerate "christians"; and then, finally, by choosing [voting in] a pastor who took the Church the worldly way. We hated to have to leave, but we had no choice, as most of the Believers also did, over time, with the once strong Community of Believers who impacted the City for so many things good, losing so many members who voted with their feet, that after nearly two thousand people left there was only a core group of a few hundred left. The day care and Elementary school was about all they had going on in the buildings for a while.
But the nice thing was that out of those who left, probably ten or more new Churches rose up in the area which were started mainly by small groups who had left that one, and they in turn reached out to the community as Christ would do; and more good came out of it in the end, as more people came to know Jesus and get involved in living the Christian life in fellowship with other like minded believers.
We ended up attending one of the new Churches which began in the community, which was a Calvary Chapel -of Costa Mesa- affiliated Church.
That Church grew, as hungry for God people came in to find Jesus real, powerful, and able to save them and meet their needs, and then that Church branched out to about four more, at least, over the past four decades.
Didn't you ever read the letters to the Churches in Revelation, from Jesus, via John? Jesus did not pretend that all Churches who have begun in the Spirit of Christ remained in His Spirit, and He gave warnings to those who needed it and said if they would not repent, He would remove their candlestick. That's what happens when a living Church loses the presence of Christ.
Your experience was not in a Christian Church, no matter what the name on the door said. Obviously The Candlestick of Christ was not there. You are proof that it had no Life, as you had only a churchian experience, and not a living relationship with Jesus Christ.
Oh of course, the no true Scotsman fallacy, now why did I think you would not use that? Yes I had a relationship or so I thought, its all a delusion.
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We once attended a Church which lost its candlestick after some years, after being infiltrated with unregenerate "christians"; and then, finally, by choosing [voting in] a pastor who took the Church the worldly way. We hated to have to leave, but we had no choice, as most of the Believers also did, over time, with the once strong Community of Believers who impacted the City for so many things good, losing so many members who voted with their feet, that after nearly two thousand people left there was only a core group of a few hundred left. The day care and Elementary school was about all they had going on in the buildings for a while.
But the nice thing was that out of those who left, probably ten or more new Churches rose up in the area which were started mainly by small groups who had left that one, and they in turn reached out to the community as Christ would do; and more good came out of it in the end, as more people came to know Jesus and get involved in living the Christian life in fellowship with other like minded believers.
Yeah, the universal solution, leave a start a new church. I guess that is why there are over 30,000 denominations now.
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We ended up attending one of the new Churches which began in the community, which was a Calvary Chapel -of Costa Mesa- affiliated Church.
That Church grew, as hungry for God people came in to find Jesus real, powerful, and able to save them and meet their needs, and then that Church branched out to about four more, at least, over the past four decades.
Didn't you ever read the letters to the Churches in Revelation, from Jesus, via John? Jesus did not pretend that all Churches who have begun in the Spirit of Christ remained in His Spirit, and He gave warnings to those who needed it and said if they would not repent, He would remove their candlestick. That's what happens when a living Church loses the presence of Christ.
I have read the bible multiple times and that is why I am now an atheist, it is the best antidote for the "illness" of xianity. Oh and BTW I researched early church history and read many textual critiques of the bible. But it was the bible and folk like you that finally pushed me away.
But then again I had a British education and learned real science not pseudo creation nonsense so I did not have to deal with that aspect of the mythos.
Once your gawd heals an amputee, maybe then I will reconsider, till then I will voice my opinion against the xian myth.
Oh and BTW, you true christians(tm) were already telling me I was not a christian even when I still was a believer so yeah, it is all codwallop. A great klub for bigots.
The only basis for your opinion on the matter (goddunit) stems from an ancient manuscript proven wrong and self-contradictory so often that it is no more than a poorly written fantasy novel. You are compeltely wrong from the get-go since you are using a base data proven inherently flawed, and even disproven as well.
Science, on the other hand, is an ongoing process seeking to fully understand the origins of the universe, this planet, and us, and already has what appears to be an accurate theory on the matter.
Does Science have all the answers, yet?
Newp, but then again "goddunit" doesn't approach being science in the least, and considering that Jehovah, as a creator god, is disproven (and your scriptures disproven as well), deity simply is not a viable option where the investigation of the Universe is concerned.
Dag nabit!!! What does your opinion stem from? Conjecture? Guessing? It has to be. You have no solid evidence for your theory. No eyewitness to this "something out of nothing" event.
Again...you guess are demonstrating MORE faith than Christians do!
Do you look at this can and presuppose that it just happened? The perfect dimensions that make it hold the right amount of fluid ounces? The red color on the metal aluminum? The white specially designed lettering? The small print that tells you what the drink is made of?
That is what you guys are doing. But on a much larger scale. The perfect order and complexity of this universe....of even earth's ecosphere
is even more than that simple coke can.
Your wack-ball assumptive conclusions illustrate your very special IQ. I can't argue with sand. Bye now; you're on my Ignore List.
Me and my low IQ love you too. See ya.
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What does your opinion stem from? Conjecture? Guessing? It has to be. You have no solid evidence for your theory. No eyewitness to this "something out of nothing" event. 
