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Old 05-10-2010, 10:22 AM
 
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Just curious...the more than 900.000.000(1 of every 6) on the planet who are starving to death or suffering from complications of malnutrition...mostly children, what did they ever do to anybody?
dont worry it is only a temporary condition,someday they will be free from their karma,

maybe they were the rich in previous lives and for being misers and not helping those who were starving,which they had the power to do,and now they have to experience what it feels like--or maybe they were the cause of the starvation,or maybe they were scientists who destroyed their resources,or maybe they were the governments who let others starve,who knows all we know that it could have easily been you or me but it wasnt so how lucky are we
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Old 05-10-2010, 10:35 AM
 
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dont worry it is only a temporary condition,someday they will be free from their karma,

maybe they were the rich in previous lives and for being misers and not helping those who were starving,which they had the power to do,and now they have to experience what it feels like--or maybe they were the cause of the starvation,or maybe they were scientists who destroyed their resources,or maybe they were the governments who let others starve,who knows all we know that it could have easily been you or me but it wasnt so how lucky are we

Good god, you believe there is a cosmic justification for raping kids.

"They just had it coming!"


I'm going to go puke now.
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Old 05-10-2010, 10:42 AM
 
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dont worry it is only a temporary condition,someday they will be free from their karma,

maybe they were the rich in previous lives and for being misers and not helping those who were starving,which they had the power to do,and now they have to experience what it feels like--or maybe they were the cause of the starvation,or maybe they were scientists who destroyed their resources,or maybe they were the governments who let others starve,who knows all we know that it could have easily been you or me but it wasnt so how lucky are we
Frankly that is ludicrous. There is no logic in punishment if the person being punished doesn't remember or know what act they are being punished for. If you have a child who breaks a rule, do you punish them immediately, or do you wait a few weeks, months, or years and then just randomly grab them and beat their ass without telling them why?

The idea of delayed karmic retribution being experienced in a following lifetime is just ridiculous.
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Old 05-10-2010, 12:09 PM
 
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Good god, you believe there is a cosmic justification for raping kids.

"They just had it coming!"


I'm going to go puke now.
look if you dont beleive in God then everything that happens happens for no reason ,but if you do,then try and understand that nothing happens without reason,why would God put these people into these situations.

it still dosent mean that we shouldnt show commpassion and do what we can to stop this,but let me ask you this ? if someone raped you child would you want them to suffer all that he has caused,you could show mercy,but then would he learn,or maybe you could just give him enough punishment so he could learn,well what wuld you do?

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Old 05-10-2010, 12:15 PM
 
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Frankly that is ludicrous. There is no logic in punishment if the person being punished doesn't remember or know what act they are being punished for. If you have a child who breaks a rule, do you punish them immediately, or do you wait a few weeks, months, or years and then just randomly grab them and beat their ass without telling them why?

The idea of delayed karmic retribution being experienced in a following lifetime is just ridiculous.
when you die you will be able to look back at ten lifetimes,so what do you think should happen to the rapist?lets just let him away with it,

this law is a law of nature and whether we are ignorant to this law or not ,dosent mean it wont be effective, just like a child who is ignorant of the fire burning them,if they put their hand into the fire they will still get burnt,nature dosent say"oh the child didnt know",because frankly before we came here we knew our actions were goin tom have reactions,for every crime their is a punishment and their are demigods that will hand out these punishment's,yiou might think its cruel but its only fair,when you think about it.and it sure beats the heck out of being sent tom eternal hell.

BTW alot of these scumbag child molesters out there rapin kids are actually old men on their way out,so the next life will be perfect for their punishment and who knows maybe they will learn.

now maybe not everyone who has been molested has been a frequent child molester in a previous life,nobody knows realy,but maybe their is something that has to be learned and their is some karma involved,who knows why bad **** happens,who knows.
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Old 05-10-2010, 12:23 PM
 
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Heck Christ didn't suffer for anything He did, He suffered for all that we have done.
Did you know that there were eight reputable historians who were active at the time Jesus allegedly performed all the miracles and rose from the dead? Did you know that only one of them, Josphus a Jewish historian even mentioned his name and that's all he did...mention his name. Other than those who were very tight with Jesus, his own band of friends, nobody mentioned all the punishment and crusifiction. Even his own crew didn't start on the collection of fairy tales and fables till he had been dead about forty or fifty years. That's ample time to make up a pretty good collection of lies wouldn't you say?

Anybody who believes that concoction of BS was either brainwashed as a child or falls into a category of gullibility which is unequaled. On a scale of one to ten...about eleven point five.
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Old 05-10-2010, 12:31 PM
 
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2. The Concept of a zillion gods of which the "Christian god" is but one.

We roll our eyes at that one. The choice for us is easy. Yes there are other gods. Says as much in the Bible. But there is the God who created all. No brainer. We go with that one.

Have you ever wondered why we don't bite on the idea that God is but one of a zillion choices? It is because that idea is an atheistic concept. We know what we believe. Please go with that and stop doing the strawman thing. It doesn't shake us up, in fact it only streghtens our faith. Misconceptions and strawman arguements on your part only convinces us that you are wrong and we are right.

Thank you for your time.
Explain how "your" god is so much different than the others you reject.
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Old 05-10-2010, 01:02 PM
 
Location: Metromess
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HalfNelson: How can you believe so fervently in a god that you state we can't even begin to understand or even define other than with hyperbole? "His ways are not like ours", "ineffable", and so on. Lack of understanding isn't a good basis for conclusions.
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Old 05-10-2010, 01:03 PM
 
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Yes, I can grasp the concept of all loving. Someone who loves you doesn't send you to be severely tortured for any reason. And they especially wouldn't do so just because they didn't believe in them. I'm not making a snap judgement. For one, hell isn't discipline. Would a loving parent put their child in the furnace and set them on fire. No, they wouldn't and they would be labeled as a sociopath. Your analogy is also flawed. It isn't cruel to not let a child have ice cream. Sending someone to burn is cruel. I don't see how any one could possibly find such a god to be all loving. A god that sends someone to burn isn't all loving, they're a megalomaniacal sociopath.
If you were a parent and had two kids that you loved equally, yet came home one day and found your son raping your daughter, what would you do?
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Old 05-10-2010, 01:12 PM
 
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HalfNelson: How can you believe so fervently in a god that you state we can't even begin to understand or even define other than with hyperbole? "His ways are not like ours", "ineffable", and so on. Lack of understanding isn't a good basis for conclusions.

Can a 5 year old understand all the reasons and rationale behind their parents descisions? Can they fully understand the love their parent has for them? Do they understand it better as they mature? Once they mature to they ever look back and realize that, at moments they thought their parent was evil and cruel, but looking back they realize their parents always loved them?
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