Possible move from Bay Area to San Diego. Would you do it? (San Jose: safe area, theater)

[BayAreaHillbilly]

Originally Posted by pacific2

Yes, OC is tied into LA's various markets, financial, etc., but it's not a passive burb of LA.

There is a strong economy here.
Orange County job growth to pick up this year, forecast says - LA Times
The Orange County economy is ramping up to beat the nation and the state in the job growth race this year.
California's third most populous county should add nearly 47,000 jobs in 2015, a 3.1% increase that would be the strongest in 15 years, according to a report released Wednesday by the A. Gary Anderson Center for Economic Research at Chapman University.

Irvine has a lot of tech jobs, and even tiny Aliso Viejo (pop. 50K) is making a mark:
Aliso Viejo is a hotbed of entrepreneurship among Southern California cities, study finds - The Orange County Register
SouthOrangeCounty’s Aliso Viejo is a hotbed of successful entrepreneurship compared with other Southern California cities, according to a study by researchers at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology’s Sloan School of Management.

Aliso Viejo ranked higher in entrepreneurial quality – measured by the likelihood of launching a successful IPO or being acquired – than 121 other cities in the Greater Los Angeles area and 18 in the San Diego area, according to the MIT paper, which examined startup ventures across California.

What's more, Anaheim and Santa Ana are major job centers.

I don't have the figures, but my guess is that most OCers work, and spend most of their leisure time right here in Orange County, not LA. It's not due to any LA hatred, or anything ridiculous like that either.

There is just a lot going on here.

Just about every metro has its edge cities these days. Some more than others.

[LuvSouthOC]

Originally Posted by WizardOfRadical

Uh they are pretty identical. LA County residents who commute to OC County= 178,536

Orange County residents who commute to LA county= 182, 262

Source= US CENSUS

Commuting (Journey to Work) Main - People and Households - U.S. Census Bureau

Please, do not ever in your life contest me.

My point was that OC used to depend on LA. You are looking at old data. Traffic patterns between the two are indeed still similar, but commuters into LA are greater in number than the reverse. This is notable because:

• OC is now a job center and not just a bedroom community;
• This shows that tiny OC no longer depends on LA for its livelihood, as was the case decades ago;
• LA is much larger in population, and thus the fact that more people commute into OC is a remarkable fact.

Source: Running to stand still - The Orange County Register

Give me a break about not contesting you.

[LuvSouthOC]

Originally Posted by sav858

FYI I live in a single family home in a suburb 30 miles from SF and I don't care what type of environment people prefer to live in, you clearly misunderstood what I was talking about. Honestly what are you even talking about? Who did I insult?

Someone claimed that OC and SD is basically the same and they don't see why anyone can hate one over the other. I simply interjected with what I felt the differences were between OC and SD that would lead some people to prefer SD. How is that condescending and insulting to someone?

Look at how defensive and condescending "LuvSouthOC"'s response was to me, he/she always has some issue when someone says something slightly critical about OC as if we are all supposed to love it as much as he/she does. And what I initially said wasn't demeaning at all. OMG I claimed that some people might prefer SD because it has a traditional urban core which OC doesn't, what kind of monster am I to say such blasphemy!?!

In fact, it is you who have the chip on your shoulder when it comes to OC. Owl was spot on especially as it relates to the "suburban mindset".

Owl was also spot on about Little Saigon, which no doubt you are unfamiliar with. I am looking forward to Tet soon.

In discussing this issue with others, the bottom line is that people in OC know pretty well what the real objections to OC are:
1) OC is too 'homogeneous' (read: too many of those darn white people, and increasingly, "too Asian").
2) OC is "suburban" despite being labeled urban for over 10 years by the Federal government;
2) People in OC are perceived as "flashy", and thought to engage in notorious public consumption (read: money). Surely this is based in large part on the perceptions of Plebs who watch trash TV: The Real Housewives, The Real World: Laguna Beach, The OC or perhaps Orange County, etc.). Sure there is great wealth here being part of the nation's second largest metro area, but most people are middle or upper middle class, and are not living a jet setter life style in Newport Beach with multi-millionaire neighbors and a giant yacht. But only someone who has spent time here would know that these impressions are not deserved.

[pacific2]

Originally Posted by BayAreaHillbilly

Just about every metro has its edge cities these days. Some more than others.

My point was that OC has its own strong vibrant economy; and this is backed up by the data.

[LuvSouthOC]

Originally Posted by pacific2

My point was that OC has its own strong vibrant economy; and this is backed up by the data.

One also wonders when folks say "Edge Cities" whether they grasp that we are not dependent upon LA and thus the very term is called into question.

[aboveordinary]

Originally Posted by LuvSouthOC

In discussing this issue with others, the bottom line is that people in OC know pretty well what the real objections to OC are:
1) OC is too 'homogeneous' (read: too many of those darn white people, and increasingly, "too Asian").
2) OC is "suburban" despite being labeled urban for over 10 years by the Federal government;
2) People in OC are perceived as "flashy", and thought to engage in notorious public consumption (read: money). Surely this is based in large part on the perceptions of Plebs who watch trash TV: The Real Housewives, The Real World: Laguna Beach, The OC or perhaps Orange County, etc.). Sure there is great wealth here being part of the nation's second largest metro area, but most people are middle or upper middle class, and are not living a jet setter life style in Newport Beach with multi-millionaire neighbors and a giant yacht. But only someone who has spent time here would know that these impressions are not deserved.

The stereotype is mostly true in my experience. Snobby, Southern California conservative Republicans driving luxury cars, turning their nose up at anyone who is lower than them on the economic ladder. If you drive a cheap car or wear dirty clothes in Orange County, you will get seriously disrespected. They do not want anyone messing up their perfect life.

They vote Republican so that they can keep their wealth and posh lifestyle going for yet another generation, at the expense of others and the environment. As they work on their tans and sip cappuccinos thier minds are constantly scheming on the next business opportunity. Is it moral? will it destroy the environment? Who cares, as long as it makes me some money so I can upgrade my 5000 square foot house. Orange County really truly is the center of American excess and materialism.

[pacific2]

Originally Posted by LuvSouthOC

One also wonders when folks say "Edge Cities" whether they grasp that we are not dependent upon LA and thus the very term is called into question.

I suspect that, in general, it may be really hard for people who don't live in Orange County to accept that it is a strong economic force. Stereotypes are just extremely difficult to break, especially when they are reinforced by the media.

[smarino]

It's been many years, but I didn't care for the people in San Diego. Much more platickey, and not particularly friendly. It's also a lot more conservative there. Of course, things have changed in the Bay Area since I lived there too. The people there now are not the people that were there when I was around. It sounds much more capitalistic and conservative in S.F. now than at anytime in my life that I can remember. The beaches are nicer in San Diego (or at least in OB and PB where I hung out). The whole area feels more coastal. In S.F., you always know you're in a city. Still, I'm confident that the people are much more Republican in S.D.

[sav858]

Originally Posted by LuvSouthOC

In fact, it is you who have the chip on your shoulder when it comes to OC. Owl was spot on especially as it relates to the "suburban mindset".

Owl was also spot on about Little Saigon, which no doubt you are unfamiliar with. I am looking forward to Tet soon.

In discussing this issue with others, the bottom line is that people in OC know pretty well what the real objections to OC are:
1) OC is too 'homogeneous' (read: too many of those darn white people, and increasingly, "too Asian").
2) OC is "suburban" despite being labeled urban for over 10 years by the Federal government;
2) People in OC are perceived as "flashy", and thought to engage in notorious public consumption (read: money). Surely this is based in large part on the perceptions of Plebs who watch trash TV: The Real Housewives, The Real World: Laguna Beach, The OC or perhaps Orange County, etc.). Sure there is great wealth here being part of the nation's second largest metro area, but most people are middle or upper middle class, and are not living a jet setter life style in Newport Beach with multi-millionaire neighbors and a giant yacht. But only someone who has spent time here would know that these impressions are not deserved.

LOL, why on earth would I have a chip on my shoulder about OC? I simply don't care for it. You are beyond sensitive to the slightest criticism of the place, ready to jump on anyone who doesn't love it like you do.

Well if Little Saigon is considered "historic" and "urban" in OC then again that only exemplifies again what I was talking about. Yeah nothing says "urban and "historic" like strip malls and a community that didn't exists until the 60's/70's....lol. But I would agree it's a very interesting ethnic neighborhood/area to visit and spend time in, just not necessarily the most aesthetically interesting or impressive one.

That's great you love OC, not sure why it bothers you so much that others don't. Might be time to get over it already.

[WizardOfRadical]

Originally Posted by LuvSouthOC

My point was that OC used to depend on LA. You are looking at old data. Traffic patterns between the two are indeed still similar, but commuters into LA are greater in number than the reverse. This is notable because:

• OC is now a job center and not just a bedroom community;
• This shows that tiny OC no longer depends on LA for its livelihood, as was the case decades ago;
• LA is much larger in population, and thus the fact that more people commute into OC is a remarkable fact.

Source: Running to stand still - The Orange County Register

Give me a break about not contesting you.

Yea no ****. That was the whole point of me mentioning that both counties give each other a near equal amount of commuters. OC would obviously have to have tons of jobs, in order to sustain that. Very good sherlock. But you didn't catch that as being the reason I mentioned that, because you are so busy trying to argue with everyone. So please, don't contest me.

Originally Posted by LuvSouthOC

One also wonders when folks say "Edge Cities" whether they grasp that we are not dependent upon LA and thus the very term is called into question.

Do you know what an edge city is?

An edge city is an American term for a concentration of business, shopping, and entertainment outside a traditional downtown (or central business district) in what had previously been a residential or rural area.

Pretty much sums up Anaheim to a T.